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		De: @ThatSB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2023 22:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always hate the comparison to the &#034;simple&#034; plane wing physics. Because it isnt simple at all. Lift is very counterintuitive and we actually don&#039;t fully understand how it works when it comes to rounded wings. Like we dont understand it as a human race yet lol. But yes the basics are simple if you dont think too hard about what is actually happening]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always hate the comparison to the &quot;simple&quot; plane wing physics. Because it isnt simple at all. Lift is very counterintuitive and we actually don&#39;t fully understand how it works when it comes to rounded wings. Like we dont understand it as a human race yet lol. But yes the basics are simple if you dont think too hard about what is actually happening</p>
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		De: @Admiral8Q		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2023 23:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So the sails on a sailboat was invented based after the invention of the wings of an airplane? <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/72x72/1f928.png" alt="🤨" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /><img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/72x72/1f60f.png" alt="😏" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the sails on a sailboat was invented based after the invention of the wings of an airplane? 🤨😏</p>
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		De: @user-vj4vl7le4y		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2023 20:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exemplary]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exemplary</p>
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		De: @nilaslohse5089		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2023 22:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wow, this is so easy to understand!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, this is so easy to understand!!</p>
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		De: @jeffellis1149		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2023 09:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is the best and simplest way of explaining how sailing boats work that I&#039;ve seen. Brilliant. Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the best and simplest way of explaining how sailing boats work that I&#39;ve seen. Brilliant. Thanks!</p>
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		De: @jonny-b4954		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2023 14:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t square sails work differently?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#39;t square sails work differently?</p>
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		De: @andrewlinden2462		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2023 03:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is so easy to understand especially since every one else has to make a 20 minute video about it and it’s so hard to understand so this guy is and his channel has the best most simple illustration]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so easy to understand especially since every one else has to make a 20 minute video about it and it’s so hard to understand so this guy is and his channel has the best most simple illustration</p>
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		De: @marcosmoriyama403		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[With all due respect, there is a scientific error in the explanation of the keel and rudder part, as per the end of the text immediately below.&lt;br&gt;.&lt;br&gt;The starting point to understand how it is possible for a sailboat to sail against the wind is to understand how an airplane sustains itself (by Bernoulli&#039;s Principle and by action and reaction) and how an F1 &#034;sticks&#034; to the ground (essentially by action and reaction, and not by Bernoulli). &lt;br&gt;.&lt;br&gt; When an airplane is cruising and flying completely horizontal, it is lifted almost exclusively by Bernoulli: the difference in geometry at the top and bottom of the wings creates lift. This force is perpendicular to the motion of the plane, and drag (drag, or air resistance) is minimal. &lt;br&gt;. &lt;br&gt;As a curiosity, the aerodynamic drag of an Airbus A380 in cruise, for example, is 0.0265 (against 0.001 of a laminar fluid on a plate, and 0.005 of a turbulent fluid on a plate); even so, it consumes a huge amount of fuel, something like an average of 5 liters per second in a flight.&lt;br&gt;.&lt;br&gt;An airplane can also fly based on action and reaction; the most obvious example is that of a paper airplane, whose wings are straight and could not be supported by Bernoulli. In its flight, however, its beak must be slightly tilted upwards, so that the air enters underneath and sustains it. The main characteristic of a flight by action and reaction is the high drag: a study with two types of paper airplanes showed that they have a drag coefficient between 0.8 (&#034;Stunt Plane&#034;) and 1 (&#034; The Glider&#034;). &lt;br&gt;. &lt;br&gt;Note that even an airplane like the A380 will face enormous drag both in the climb and in the descent, due to the air that enters either below or above and will tend to brake it. &lt;br&gt;. &lt;br&gt;Another situation in which there will be enormous fuel consumption is if it were to fly upside down: in this case it would be like a paper airplane, and its beak, in order to sustain itself, must be kept slightly tilted upwards. . To close this part, an F1 car &#034;sticks&#034; to the ground due to the forces generated by the wings (two front and one rear), which are basically inverted wedges: the airfoils of an F1 do not work like an inverted wing of an airplane ( they perhaps more closely resemble the elevators of this one). They are just wedges in which the natural downforce is generated at the cost of drag (this is sometimes positive, because it helps the car to brake. It can contribute up to 1g of braking), that is, based exclusively on the principle of action and reaction. . &lt;br&gt;As a consequence, the drag coefficient of an F1 is very high, reaching values as high as 1.1! A driver once commented that driving an F1 is like trying to accelerate a car with an open parachute behind it. . . &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having made this introduction, it became much easier to understand how a sailboat sails against the wind. That experiment where you blow on the side of a sheet of paper and it rises, almost like magic, is a clear demonstration of Bernoulli&#039;s Principle! Due to the greater air velocity in the upper part of the paper, there is a lower pressure (to understand, imagine a hose connected to a faucet, and this one is open: with the faucet open, but the nozzle of the hose locked, the force against the walls is huge, but when we unlock the nozzle and the water acquires enormous speed it may be that, even with a hole in the hose, it does not leak through it, but continues to flow), and with that the leaf rises! &lt;br&gt;. &lt;br&gt;Note that blowing in one direction generated a lift force, in a perpendicular direction, which is amazing! &lt;br&gt;. &lt;br&gt;Returning to the sailboat, it cannot face the wind head-on and walk against it in this situation, but it can be placed on its side, in such a position that the wind generates lift in the sails from the difference in inclination of its material (the sail is with a more rounded side, like an airplane wing); note that one of the components of lift is in the opposite direction to the force of the winds (and will obviously have a much lower intensity than this one) and the other in a perpendicular direction to this one (also lower intensity). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The tendency is for the sailboat to walk inclined in the direction of the wind (for example, either northwest or northeast, if we are talking about a north-south wind), that is, going sideways. &lt;br&gt;. &lt;br&gt;And here comes the mistake. &lt;br&gt;. &lt;br&gt;In a common boat, not a sailboat, the rudder is largely responsible for steering it (the helm changes the position of the rudder). On a sailboat, it also serves to counterbalance the force to one side generated by the sails, but this does not occur as an &#034;inverted lift&#034;, or the same lift in the perpendicular but to the other side; in other words, they say that the Bernoulli Principle is at work there, when it is not. What happens inside the water is just action and reaction (that is, something more similar to the wings of an F1, and not to those of a cruising plane): if the boat tends, for example, to the northeast, just turn the rudder to the left, so that the course is corrected, so that the sailboat has the final tendency to walk into the wind. . As we are not talking about an active force, that is, in the end, it is the wind that is setting the tone (note: I am ignoring possible sea currents and proximity to surf zones), the tendency is that, even with the rudder positioned in such a way as to counterbalance the force of the sail in the opposite direction, it will still be displaced in an inclined manner, either to the northwest or to the northeast (in the case of a north-south wind), however the solution is simple: after a while, just invert the position the sails, as well as the rudder, so that the vessel zigzags around the main straight path into the wind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, there is a scientific error in the explanation of the keel and rudder part, as per the end of the text immediately below.<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />The starting point to understand how it is possible for a sailboat to sail against the wind is to understand how an airplane sustains itself (by Bernoulli&#39;s Principle and by action and reaction) and how an F1 &quot;sticks&quot; to the ground (essentially by action and reaction, and not by Bernoulli).<br />
<br />.<br />
<br /> When an airplane is cruising and flying completely horizontal, it is lifted almost exclusively by Bernoulli: the difference in geometry at the top and bottom of the wings creates lift. This force is perpendicular to the motion of the plane, and drag (drag, or air resistance) is minimal.<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />As a curiosity, the aerodynamic drag of an Airbus A380 in cruise, for example, is 0.0265 (against 0.001 of a laminar fluid on a plate, and 0.005 of a turbulent fluid on a plate); even so, it consumes a huge amount of fuel, something like an average of 5 liters per second in a flight.<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />An airplane can also fly based on action and reaction; the most obvious example is that of a paper airplane, whose wings are straight and could not be supported by Bernoulli. In its flight, however, its beak must be slightly tilted upwards, so that the air enters underneath and sustains it. The main characteristic of a flight by action and reaction is the high drag: a study with two types of paper airplanes showed that they have a drag coefficient between 0.8 (&quot;Stunt Plane&quot;) and 1 (&quot; The Glider&quot;).<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />Note that even an airplane like the A380 will face enormous drag both in the climb and in the descent, due to the air that enters either below or above and will tend to brake it.<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />Another situation in which there will be enormous fuel consumption is if it were to fly upside down: in this case it would be like a paper airplane, and its beak, in order to sustain itself, must be kept slightly tilted upwards. . To close this part, an F1 car &quot;sticks&quot; to the ground due to the forces generated by the wings (two front and one rear), which are basically inverted wedges: the airfoils of an F1 do not work like an inverted wing of an airplane ( they perhaps more closely resemble the elevators of this one). They are just wedges in which the natural downforce is generated at the cost of drag (this is sometimes positive, because it helps the car to brake. It can contribute up to 1g of braking), that is, based exclusively on the principle of action and reaction. .<br />
<br />As a consequence, the drag coefficient of an F1 is very high, reaching values as high as 1.1! A driver once commented that driving an F1 is like trying to accelerate a car with an open parachute behind it. . . </p>
<p>Having made this introduction, it became much easier to understand how a sailboat sails against the wind. That experiment where you blow on the side of a sheet of paper and it rises, almost like magic, is a clear demonstration of Bernoulli&#39;s Principle! Due to the greater air velocity in the upper part of the paper, there is a lower pressure (to understand, imagine a hose connected to a faucet, and this one is open: with the faucet open, but the nozzle of the hose locked, the force against the walls is huge, but when we unlock the nozzle and the water acquires enormous speed it may be that, even with a hole in the hose, it does not leak through it, but continues to flow), and with that the leaf rises!<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />Note that blowing in one direction generated a lift force, in a perpendicular direction, which is amazing!<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />Returning to the sailboat, it cannot face the wind head-on and walk against it in this situation, but it can be placed on its side, in such a position that the wind generates lift in the sails from the difference in inclination of its material (the sail is with a more rounded side, like an airplane wing); note that one of the components of lift is in the opposite direction to the force of the winds (and will obviously have a much lower intensity than this one) and the other in a perpendicular direction to this one (also lower intensity). </p>
<p>The tendency is for the sailboat to walk inclined in the direction of the wind (for example, either northwest or northeast, if we are talking about a north-south wind), that is, going sideways.<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />And here comes the mistake.<br />
<br />.<br />
<br />In a common boat, not a sailboat, the rudder is largely responsible for steering it (the helm changes the position of the rudder). On a sailboat, it also serves to counterbalance the force to one side generated by the sails, but this does not occur as an &quot;inverted lift&quot;, or the same lift in the perpendicular but to the other side; in other words, they say that the Bernoulli Principle is at work there, when it is not. What happens inside the water is just action and reaction (that is, something more similar to the wings of an F1, and not to those of a cruising plane): if the boat tends, for example, to the northeast, just turn the rudder to the left, so that the course is corrected, so that the sailboat has the final tendency to walk into the wind. . As we are not talking about an active force, that is, in the end, it is the wind that is setting the tone (note: I am ignoring possible sea currents and proximity to surf zones), the tendency is that, even with the rudder positioned in such a way as to counterbalance the force of the sail in the opposite direction, it will still be displaced in an inclined manner, either to the northwest or to the northeast (in the case of a north-south wind), however the solution is simple: after a while, just invert the position the sails, as well as the rudder, so that the vessel zigzags around the main straight path into the wind.</p>
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		De: @hondafitter1075		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2023 07:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand either <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/72x72/1f606.png" alt="😆" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
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		De: @greyngreyer5		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2023 03:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What do you mean 45 degrees on either side of the wind, about the no-go zone? Does it refer to the fact that the wind passes along both sides of the sail, or am I reading this wrong?]]></description>
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