Comentarii la: 7 mituri CAT vs MONO dezmințite Sailing @ Cape Horn | Trebuie să urmăriți înainte de a cumpăra o barcă cu pânze! [Ep.114]

De: Yihang Zhang

Yihang Zhang — Fri, 30 Jun 2023 01:23:03 +0000

Probably not the best representation of a performance catamaran since it's a oneoff design with no mainsail. This was designed to be easy to operate for the owner with mobility issues. Normal Dazcats would be a lot faster. I feel mentioning Dazcat brand without explaining the lack of a main and the special purpose of artemis is doing the brand a disservice .

De: Jose Pedro Espinosa

Jose Pedro Espinosa — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:02:34 +0000

Hello friends! Welcome to Chile, my country. You are going to navigate one of the most beautiful areas in the world, the Patagonian channels.

Regarding the myths, I agree with all but the speed, and the best demonstration is the results of the ARC (Atlantic Rally for Cruisers) where, for example, one year a TS42 catamaran won with a crew of older adults than in their video they show how they did yoga or cooked during the regatta, and thus, without much effort, they beat the entire fleet. A light catamaran, like the ORC (formerly TS) or the Outremer make an enormous difference in light winds, where a monohull is motoring, these catamarans are under sail at wind speed, and this makes a dramatic difference sailing in the intertropical area. Someone calculated that to go around the world, a light catamaran needs something like one hundred fewer days of navigation compared to a monohull or a heavy catamaran (Lagoon and similar).

De: TheRaptor1967

TheRaptor1967 — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 01:37:07 +0000

I both agree and disagree on most points. My main criticism on your video would be you didn't give enough detail on the two boats (Specs). Maybe your not comparing apples with apples? (as much as that is possible when comparing Monos with Cats). Only just noticed your channel, I'm seeing this video in isolation. Good to see your not biasing your comments with your love of monohulls. I will try to keep my love of Cats out of my comments. You make some good points that I agree with, and you also make some points that I dont entirely agree with. I think it's far to say, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. This is just my humble opinion
Point 1: Speed. Yeah, It depends on the boat, and (in particular with Cats) the weight. But for Blue Water sailing boats, The difference is not so great.
Point 2: Fun. Depends on what your expectations are. This depends partly what you started with, and if you want the old school romantic notion of what a "Sailing Boat" is.
I personally dont like getting Wet and Cold, but most Cats have a way of being outside with that wind in your hair experience as well as the option of staying warm inside.
Point 3: Bridgedeck slap. It CAN be an issue, so that should be a considered when you buy a Cat. Clearance of >= 0.8m absolutely minimises this, but that usually means a bigger Cat.
Point 4: Seasickness. Cat vs Mono = both different motions. Larger boats have a different motion again. You get used to the motion your exposed to (mostly).
Point 5: Cats are just floating caravans?. Apart from the strange wording, generally I 100% agree with you that they are more than that.
Note - some Monos have much drier helms than yours, like some/most Cats do require some outside work in a sea.
Point 6: Weight Sensitivity. I agree and disagree with you. Providing you dont OVERLOAD your boat, they both perform well. If you OVERLOAD a Mono, it still does not make much difference.
But when you OVERLOAD your CAT, the performance suffers badly.
Point 7: Safety and Heavy Weather (extreme) sailing: Your right, BIG topic
Cat: Relatively easier to flip with no chance of righting and WILL smash the rigging. Need to keep an eye more on not overpowering a Cat, but will almost always still float if capsized.
Mono: More forgiving if overpowered, and righting angle is much higher (even if all rigging totaled), but is more likely to sink than a Cat

Now going to go check out Ep 113 (cat trip around Cape Horn). Time to find out what cat you used, but I'm pretty sure I know from the video of the helm station.

De: DonP

DonP — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:47:11 +0000

I want to start by saying, I am not a sailor. I was raised around motored fishing boats. My input is that you do not HAVE to go further into detail. The reason is whichever you have, mono or cat, will usually be the one you like, regardless of others opinion or even some facts. Do what you love, love what you do. Thank you for this and all your videos.

De: Robert

Robert — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 13:29:09 +0000

If you look at the ARC results, the only catamarans that are significantly faster than the monohulls are the Marsaudon ORC catamarans which are–as you say flat out performance machines. The big cruising catamarans are not faster and generally use their engines a lot.

De: Paul E Chaplin

Paul E Chaplin — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 12:44:55 +0000

Really looking forward to your sail up the west coast. Keep up the great work.

De: Philip Thompson

Philip Thompson — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:44:12 +0000

What a total load of rot! You compare a J boat, designed for speed, with a wheelchair and disabled friendly cat with no mainsail and say that it is a fair comparison. Cognitive bias writ large. How about some proper research before going "Totally False!"? In 23 years of owning a performance cat I have been passed by a couple of fast cats and have passed hundreds and hundreds of monos. My 38ft cat is a simple cedar and ply boat I built myself and draws 50cm with the rudders up. It has done 160 miles in daylight (15 hours in the summer) twice and we avarge 8 knots easily. We cruised for 3 years with a table bought from a furniture store and never even screwed down, it never moved. My kids have made card houses in their hull, my brothjer had just come back from the Farr 40 worlds and we were cruising at 15 knots offshore and he couldn't believe that his son and ours were building card houses whilst we clipped 15s. Our daggerboard cat glides upwind, and is rock solid and speedy downwind. As a Laser racer, who competed at World Championships in my youth, a cat allows me to have the speed of a dinghy without needing a deep keel, I can stow toys and have a boat that is super fun to play on, with great stern steps, great stowage and a boat that makes me smile every time I sail it. For anyone using this video as some sort of research into cruising boats – this is a totally biased viewpoint using only one cat as a data point – rubbish for anyone trying to work out if a cat could be for them.

De: Philip Thompson

Philip Thompson — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:27:09 +0000

What a total load of rot! I find it incredible that people can be so silly. It looks as thought the Dazcat doesn't have its main up in the second shot, but to have two data points and then say "Cats are no faster than monos" is absolutely stupid. I have cruised my performance cat for 23 years and have been passed by a few performance cats and one very very nice large super fast race mono being delivered by a gun crew. BUt my cheap 38ft cat has done daylight trips of 160 and 150 miles – going at over 10 knots all day. If you pick a slow enough catamaran you can beat them, but a run of the mill cedar strip and plywood Grainger or Schionning will leave almost any mono in its wake whilst the crew are sitting back and doing it easy. Please don't take people like this' word, they must have a huge anti cat axe to grind. Get out and talk to real daggerboard cat owners and find out the real deal. Condo cats are slow but other cats can be very nice to sail indeed.

De: JimJocrusin

JimJocrusin — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 21:20:06 +0000

We are really looking forward to hearing about your experiences in the fjords of Chile. You two are a lot of fun to watch and pretty brave to wade into the Cat versus Mono debate so deeply. Keep having fun. (grin) J&J

De: WillN2Go1

WillN2Go1 — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 20:44:20 +0000

Good video. re: cold. Just finishing up a crossing of the North Pacific. I didn't want to sail this route and 'not be there,' so I've spent a lot of watches outside. (We're on a catamaran, Seawind 1260, so it's not like I was getting hit by the waves washing over the deck, or the bimini.) I brought layers of merino wool, a thick Aran Islands sweater, bought a second rain jacket and pants in Japan. (Left my too loose foulies home. Glad I did. Layers should fit.)At times I've worn all of it. Slept in it. (Got a $25 emergency bivy with a $25 Costco down comforter and a sleeping bag liner it's like the sleeping bag I should've brought. (Some who's sailed to Alaska just kept saying, "It's not going to be that cold..." Boy was he wrong.)
The real issue for me (and probably the others on board) and cold is not how cold it is, but: Do you have the layers and can you dry it out? One splash working on the fore deck/trampoline and my gear is wet and cold for three days. We've had foggy conditions the past week so the washing machine on board with no dryer is effectively useless. (I washed a load ten days ago and those clothes are still damp and mildewy.)
Also important to comfort: Footwear (I've got loose fitting Gil boots which turned out to be the best choice I can add an extra layer of booties and still wiggle my toes) and waterproof Gloves make all the difference. I've got fat rubber gloves with an attached liner. They've been great. Better would've been the thick rubber gloves but with a separate removable liner (with 2 sets of liners). I can't pull the fingers all the way out of my gloves to dry them. I've had a lot of 'waterproof' gloves that were not. I haven't used my sailing gloves even once in three months. My rubber gloves got laughed at for about a week. My poor circulation fingers have had the last laugh.
Slamming? It is loud! Because I'm such a good sleeper I love the motion, the sound of the water and I'm able to sleep through the slamming. (Like a 20 mph car accident several times every minute on the rough days, Other times I've been weightless in my berth every two minutes. Slept through it all. Others couldn't. Tip: learn to sleep on your side. Better sleep, no snoring.)