Viața de altădată ca marinar olandez pe un om din India de Est cu destinația Indiilor de Est (Indonezia) – Partea 1/4

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1. UPDATE March 5, 2020

   This series has exploded (for my channel) in popularity since about February 22nd 2020. Still not sure what the catalyst was but its been great to see this series get more views as it was fun to make. I do want to talk about a few points though.

   This series was NOT about justifying the colonialism of Indonesia. For those leaving comments I would urge you to please watch the videos first THEN comment. There are clear mentions (albeit summarized) of the poor treatment by and downright savagery at times of the VOC throughout the series and it was in no way an attempt to diminish/justify or hide from that history. However, this was a story about life of the average sailor. Some have accused it of being a romanticized account..if that is your idea of romanticizing the period I don't think i would have wanted to sail with you on your vessel. Others have levied the complaint that it is unrealistic as there is no way the typical sailor would go through all of this. To those I would say you are correct and will explain in the next paragraph. However, the average VOC sailor although from that era had nothing to do with the evils committed although they were sometimes complicit by association. The VOC transported more people and tonnage of trade over the few hundred years of its existence by a wide margin over all the other European company's combined.

   The primary goal for me was to tell a story that showed the underbelly of mariner life rather than the romanticized notions from movies like "The Bounty". Every event or happenstance your sailor finds himself wrapped up in is based on factual actual experiences of VOC sailors. However, there is no one sailor other than yours that I know of that experienced ALL of them on one journey lol…again that was for the purpose of narrative, dramatic pacing and wanting to cover as much of the era and profession on board such a ship as possible.

   At the end of the day it was about marine life. This was NOT a video about colonialism in Indonesia nor one on the history of the VOC as an entity. I am sensitive to that reality having studied its history and having been to Indonesia many times as an awe struck tourist and human brother (albeit a Dutch one) reveling in the majesty, diversity and complexity that is Indonesian culture. My wife is from a country also of Malay ancestry (Philippines) and we have a grown daughter. Her country went through the Spanish version of a similar colonialism.

   With all of that said…I don't believe in punishing the "son for the sins of the father"…or in this case the great great great grandfather of mine who sailed with the VOC. That is not my sin nor my daughters nor the sin of the current Dutch nation which in its modern incarnation is comprised of a mosaic of peoples, many from or have family that lived in those once colonies. Should we avoid dealing with history that was unpleasant? Do we, like the archaeologists who first re-discovered Pompeii, cover up the murals of history because we are uncomfortable looking at them? History is our shared bond as humans. History is important for ensuring we learn from its mistakes as we savor its successes.

   I try (stressed) to cover history from a neutral unbiased point of view. Watch my Persian empire series if you haven't already and honestly tell me if you felt it was as most accounts slanted towards western bias. I would challenge anyone who jumps to that conclusion to just watch them first then post me your thoughts.

   Please feel free to post your thoughts even if they are negative as that is as much your right as our shared history is our collective right. I only ask that you keep it civil and on point. Thanks all and appreciate the dialogue AND your dropping by to watch the content!

2. Do one for a Naval Frigate, edit, so everyone can see how dumb I am. There is one.

3. Yes, nice content

4. So I read somewhere that most seamen went to sea as kids but here he signs on at 18 how common was this and did some merchant vessel not hire men who have not gone through some kind of apprenticeship as a kid.

5. Geez. Just like my first marriage.

6. You so-and-so moving that painting around, I thought I was tripping for a moment. Excellent dramatisation, though.

7. Keep going. Your content is premium and amazingly informative. Infotainment. Just keep grinding and soon enough algorithm will make it worth the effort.

8. The Dutch entrepeneurs were absolute AHs.

9. I don't need anymore convincing,
   sign me up!!

10. 02:35 , I´ve always felt hereditary factors conditioned my pipe obsession …

11. UPDATE March 5, 2020

    This series has exploded (for my channel) in popularity since about February 22nd 2020. Still not sure what the catalyst was but its been great to see this series get more views as it was fun to make. I do want to talk about a few points though.

    This series was NOT about justifying the colonialism of Indonesia. For those leaving comments I would urge you to please watch the videos first THEN comment. There are clear mentions (albeit summarized) of the poor treatment by and downright savagery at times of the VOC throughout the series and it was in no way an attempt to diminish/justify or hide from that history. However, this was a story about life of the average sailor. Some have accused it of being a romanticized account..if that is your idea of romanticizing the period I don't think i would have wanted to sail with you on your vessel. Others have levied the complaint that it is unrealistic as there is no way the typical sailor would go through all of this. To those I would say you are correct and will explain in the next paragraph. However, the average VOC sailor although from that era had nothing to do with the evils committed although they were sometimes complicit by association. The VOC transported more people and tonnage of trade over the few hundred years of its existence by a wide margin over all the other European company's combined.

    The primary goal for me was to tell a story that showed the underbelly of mariner life rather than the romanticized notions from movies like "The Bounty". Every event or happenstance your sailor finds himself wrapped up in is based on factual actual experiences of VOC sailors. However, there is no one sailor other than yours that I know of that experienced ALL of them on one journey lol…again that was for the purpose of narrative, dramatic pacing and wanting to cover as much of the era and profession on board such a ship as possible.

    At the end of the day it was about marine life. This was NOT a video about colonialism in Indonesia nor one on the history of the VOC as an entity. I am sensitive to that reality having studied its history and having been to Indonesia many times as an awe struck tourist and human brother (albeit a Dutch one) reveling in the majesty, diversity and complexity that is Indonesian culture. My wife is from a country also of Malay ancestry (Philippines) and we have a grown daughter. Her country went through the Spanish version of a similar colonialism.

    With all of that said…I don't believe in punishing the "son for the sins of the father"…or in this case the great great great grandfather of mine who sailed with the VOC. That is not my sin nor my daughters nor the sin of the current Dutch nation which in its modern incarnation is comprised of a mosaic of peoples, many from or have family that lived in those once colonies. Should we avoid dealing with history that was unpleasant? Do we, like the archaeologists who first re-discovered Pompeii, cover up the murals of history because we are uncomfortable looking at them? History is our shared bond as humans. History is important for ensuring we learn from its mistakes as we savor its successes.

    I try (stressed) to cover history from a neutral unbiased point of view. Watch my Persian empire series if you haven't already and honestly tell me if you felt it was as most accounts slanted towards western bias. I would challenge anyone who jumps to that conclusion to just watch them first then post me your thoughts.

    Please feel free to post your thoughts even if they are negative as that is as much your right as our shared history is our collective right. I only ask that you keep it civil and on point. Thanks all and appreciate the dialogue AND your dropping by to watch the content!

12. Yore history- so the person in this video is 18 when he signs up and he did it without parental consent how young could you sign on with the such east in Dutch east India company with out parental consent.2nd question; with cabin boys could they just be signed on like any regular sailor ( assuming they have a guardian with them or was there like special contracts for them.

13. Yore history – you say that the protagonist trades against his wages was this like credit where you for example would get 10 guilders but at the end have 11 guilders taken from your pay when you where to receive said pay, or was it the wages that you already earned that would deducted from your pay. Second question- why was this allowed weren’t the officers afraid the sailor would take said money and run off, or was it simply the sailor was so far from home and in a land so foreign that the risk of that was so low. Third question- were the sailors that went multiple voyages with the Voc given something extra like bigger space for personal trade, higher pay or rank, since the death rate was high and even if you did survive most would not want to step foot on a voc ship again.

14. You said that the survival rate of the Dutch east India ships was slightly lower than the English, did the English of the same time period have the same shortage of men thus relying on soul sellers. Also thanks for answering my question I am really interested in this stuff🤠. Also where were saloirs on the social pyramid and did they get married

15. I know that the voc has a sister company the such west India company that traded in the Caribbean do you know if they had the same man power shortages than the east India company or was it that the shorter voyages gave you a higher chance of living thus making it a more suitable option for sailor wanting get into some trans continental trade.

16. At the end of the voyage did the company pay in cash, credit or goods of equivalent value and what did saloirs do in the months in between voyages. Also was there a stigma to being a saloir of the voc positive or negative , I mean if you survived multiple voyages vs equivalent time( not voyages being a sailor on a ship plying European routes or fishing vessels). I hope this question isn’t to similar to my previous questions. Also love your videos am excited for the new sassanid series and hope that mabye you would consider doing one about the Islamic caliphates and China🤠

17. Ah to be a sailor at this time. What a hard knock life it must have been.

18. 14:08": No wonder Britannia was destined to rule the waves….

19. The curvy freighter admittedly suspend because knife preclinically whine notwithstanding a idiotic gliding. green grey grieving, gray greasy great interactive

20. my brain broke at 4:57

21. I never came for adventure or a promise land, but for fortune and fortune alone, I knew it would be a long hard journey but good god this is just ludicrous.

22. Hank is a butthole.

23. First a joke: How does a Dutchman know how to put on his underwear? Yellow in front, Brown on the back.

24. What a bullshit video, probably not true, like and subscribe bait

25. hank look like an indos

26. And at that time the VOC was making HUGE profits in the Indies…..

27. This might explain why a distant relative jumped ship in New Amsterdam harbor and started my family line in US.

28. One of my ancestors actually served in the glorious VOC and I couldn’t be prouder of that fact! The fact that someone’s who shared my bloodline served the VOC, a man who sailed the vast oceans on epic voyages & brought untold riches & glory to my country makes me so proud to be a Dutchman!🇳🇱

29. I am a sailor in 1633 i know old times i died and reborn now but i get deja vu

30. Man, you were 'screwed, Jewed and tattooed' as we used to say long ago…

31. this was awesome

32. Kind of wished the pacing was a bit faster or your voice was more theatrical/dramatic, without that, the video's somewhat long and laborious.

33. Back for my second listen.

34. My ancestor went on one of those VOC ships as a soldier. He took out a loan from the VOC, which basically funded his voyage, food and clothes for the voyage. For that he had to work for two years for the VOC as a soldier and earned a small salary. Lucky for me, these 17th century VOC contracts are kept in an archive in the Netherlands and it was amazing to find the contract of my ancestor and the name of the ship he went on. It has all been digitilized now and uploaded on the internet. He was suppose to go to the East Indies but the VOC wanted to build a castle in Cape Town, South Africa, to protect their harbour from pirots and other Europeans. So it took him more than 3 months of voyage at sea before he got to Cape Town. There he worked for the VOC to help build the Castle of Good Hope, which you can still see in Cape Town today. After two years of working for the VOC he was a "free burger". Basically a free citizen to go back to the Netherlands or keep on working for the VOC or do your own thing. He decided that he was going to start farming in the Cape and sell the produce to the VOC for more money. He obviously liked what he was doing now and with more and more Dutch farmers coming over to the Cape Colony now, he decided to stay and start a small family. Very interesting history.

35. i kinda thought ships were clean back in the day lol

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