Cum sunt extrem de pedepsiți marinarii marinei pe un portavion

Cum sunt extrem de pedepsiți marinarii marinei pe un portavion



Viața la bordul unui portavion este aventuroasă, dar și dură și foarte obositoare. Când marinarii se comportă rău, pot fi pedepsiți și chiar ajung în închisoare, unde trebuie să supraviețuiască doar cu pâine și apă. Conceptul de a pune în izolare persoanele care au fost găsite vinovate de fapte foarte minore și de a le oferi nimic altceva decât pâine simplă și apă timp de câteva zile o dată este veche de mai mult de un secol. Istorie, închisoare, navă, pedeapsă. Când marinarii din cele trei grade de salariu cele mai mici se comportă prost, comandanții navei au autoritatea de a-i plasa în detenție ca un fel de pedeapsă nejudiciară. Ea provine dintr-o perioadă în care navele de război aveau coca din lemn și pânze. Această pedeapsă se aplică doar celor care au săvârșit cele mai grave infracțiuni. În anii 1800, un marinar care a comis o mică infracțiune ar fi trebuit să urce pe catarg și să rămână în vântul amar pentru un timp prestabilit. Acest lucru poate fi destul de neliniștitor și singuratic pentru marinar, dar a fost, de asemenea, cunoscut ca momentul perfect pentru ca un marinar să ajungă din urmă cu o lectură. Această metodă de pedeapsă a fost denumită „îndreptare catarg”. #portavion #usnavy #marinari

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34 thoughts on “Cum sunt extrem de pedepsiți marinarii marinei pe un portavion

  1. Anthony Drake, I have a feeling you never served, if you did thanks for your service!
    As for me I'm more then qualified to comment on U.S. Navy's various forms of punishment. I first enlisted in 1957 and served for 12 years where I separated the service from USS Hornet CVS 12. Believe it or not I qualified and reenlisted 14 years later at the age of 42. In my 22 years of service I served on 8 ships,only two of the same type, they being destroyer tenders.
    I'm truly of the old and new navy.
    Terminal Island in Long Beach CA had a Red Line brig, I never had the privilege of a stay there but I served with shipmates that did. Barbaric! Marines over sailors is never ever good. When departing the naval station at Terminal Island you presented you card to the sentry, if he was sadistic he yanked it, no card no liberty. Back to your ship you go, didn't happen to me fortunately, but it was common. Can't even fathom that happening in today's navy.

  2. At first I thought I either misheard the statement of bread and water punishment, or you were pulling my leg. Shocked to hear it was still available up until 2019. Never heard of it during my service days from 1978 to 1988, but then I only heard of a few Captains Mast and those were mostly docked pay.

  3. This is totally untrue. The navy, or any other branch of the U.S military no longer feeds any prisoner bread and water and they haven’t for many many decades. it’s also not true that minor offenses will results in brig time. Only very serious offenses can get a member of our military thrown in the brig.

  4. Lost sixteen shipmates in the operation of the USS , 64 to 68. That was the natural punishment for shipboard mistakes. Everyone was eligible at any time. Falls,cleaning chemical,poisonings,electrocutions,fires,flight deck accidents. Heavy seas and slamming doors.etc. “Oh for the life of the rolling sea.” Loved it.

  5. I wasn't in the Navy, but the Air Force and I got in a little trouble back in the 70's and had to take a court martial, I was convicted and caught 30 days at hard labor, and a fine of $100 which was almost a months pay, at my sentencing the Judge asked if I had anything to say for myself, well, yes I did, I apologized for the trouble, and for the shame I caused and for all the grief I brought on myself, the officers and the squadron, after that he ruled 20 days suspended with 10 to serve in CC. Anyway they were not kidding about the hard labor, it was 12 hours a day filling sandbags, hand digging post holes, setting the poles and stringing concertina wire along with weed chopping. The worst part? Being marched to chow in the morning and evening so everyone could see you and make comments, LOL. My charges were drunk on station, destruction of government property, ( I wasn't driving but was in a truck that someone had taken and we crashed in a ditch ), fighting with the Air Police, out of uniform, failure to repair which was a catch-all charge, that could have been handled with NJP like an Article 15, but what sank my boat was telling the Lieutenant of the Air Police, the OOD to take a flying f**k. That's where they drew the line. I realize now that I was immature, but at 19 one doesn't make the best choices after a few drinks. Long story short, I did my ten but as I had "bad time" I had to make it up which added an extra two months to my enlistment. I did receive an Honorable Discharge, but I never pulled that stunt again.

  6. I’d sure hate to be falsely accused of anything and found guilty based on lies. And don’t think it doesn’t happen. It most certainly does.

  7. The sailors that I personally knew of that went to the brig were dirt bags and deserved it. They each were given MANY occasions to clean up their act, much to the suffering of their shipmates. Yeah, screw those guys. They made everyone elses’ life at sea more difficult. Just another mouth to feed.

  8. When I was on the aircraft carrier Hornet in 1968-69 there was no "extreme punishment" unless you want to include time in the bilges of a fireroom or engine room. The unlucky sailors sentenced to the brig and hard labor typically were taken by their Marine chaser to whatever department requested laborers. My shop even had them for a day which was easy work, cleaning vents. But bilge cleaning in a fireroom or engine room was a different hot and greasy matter! I'll tell you what, the brig on the Hornet was a dark and depressing hole
    I would rather be in the bilges.

  9. I was a carrier sailor and destroyer sailor as well out of Long Beach CA. The destroyer (yeah I'm old) in 1958. The base had the Red Line brig, active. Marines at the naval station gate. I don't know the temperature of Navy and Marine relationships these days, but in those days it was pure hatred between the two. Here was one of the expressions describing a Marine "I would rather have a sister in a whore house then a brother that's a Marine"

  10. if i had to be keel hauled i'd hope i was serving on a lifeboat and not an air craft carrier 🙂
    "i sentence you to a week of bread and water"
    "captain…the crew already live off hardtack, weevils, and water so this isn't much of a change"
    "i see…hmm…then i sentence you to eat with us until you are used to our food, at which point you will have to eat what the crew eats"

  11. I was in the Navy for 26 years on 6 different ships. I saw bread and water used only 3 times. In each case the Sailor very much deserved it.

  12. My father was a Marine during WWII. They didn't have the UCMJ then, instead the Rocks and Shoals (Navy Regulations). Dad was sentenced to seven days in the brig on bread and water (piss and punk) for being over leave by seven days from the Naval Hospital he was in. Passenger train service was very unreliable then as most train traffic was used for military supplies or transporting full units of troops. My dad had gotten his first leave since he enlisted (and had made two beach landings and battles in the meantime) and had a tough time getting trains coming back, although he had letters from the station masters verifying he was on time to catch trains, but the trains were not on time. He would have gotten 30 days in the brig if it wasn't for those letters. He said they got a full loaf of bread each morning and could drink all of the water they wanted. One other funny thing was they had to get him out of the brig, have him change into his service greens, and attend an award ceremony where he got a Bronze Star for an action on Saipan. Then back to change into dungarees and off to the brig for the rest of his time. I have a photo of his award ceremony and his brig chaser (guard) was standing next to him in the photo.

  13. For minor stuff the Chief will assign you a very unpleasant task like latrine duty or worse. I endured a month of everybody hating me and bitching about no toilet paper but they only allotted me a few rolls per day. I kept it clean enough otherwise. Not my fault, man. I never found out what I was being punished for either. It was one of several possibilities. Evil grin.

  14. Trust me… YOU REALLY GOTTA FUCK UP TO GET 3 days bread and water. But I’d rather get that more than 45/45 1/2 months pay x2 and go from E5-E3
    Which is what I got for texting
    Someone I was gonna whip his ass for texting my wife…. Yep that’s your navy… it’s not like Rank is damn near impossible to get

  15. I was in the Navy from 1982- 2012. I had to do 3 days bread and water in 1983. But after that I learned my lesson and finish my career doing 30 years. I tell people if you want to lose weight very fast. Eat bread and water for 3 days. I know that works for a Fact.

  16. Swede Boy: I was in VA-42 (Intruder training squadron) NAS Oceana too. From April 20,1972 to August 15,1975. I was a plane captain & went on carrier quals on the Independence, Lexington 3 times & FDR. Also went to Fallon & Yuma on bombing detachments several times.

  17. For the most parts, punishments were handed out to people that committed numerous offences. The only time B/W was given to a first timer, it was something very serious.

  18. It all depends on the crime or behavior of the E-1-E-9 or officer does. For a unauthorized leave of absent, can be put on a work detail and get put on suspension for his or her action. If the crime is drug, murder and theft related, a person can be sent to the brig for thirty days or more and stripped of their current rank and be guarded by Marines. They also can be sent to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas. I witnessed enlisted and officers being Marine escorted off the carrier, for their behavior and crimes and sent to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas, in 1982. A fighter pilot from VF-1, got caught smuggling cocaine, in a special designed drop tank on a F-14 Tomcat and he was sent to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas and I first hand witnessed it.

  19. I was a brig staff member on cvn70. We had a couple sailors come down for bread and water. The only way that was ever used was under very close supervision. They ate at the same times as the other prisoners, had the same time limit of 20 min, where they could eat as much as they wanted. After the 3 days was up, they were let lose back to your division.

  20. My last cruise on the Independence I put one of my plane captains on report. At Captains Mast the Skipper put the guy in the brig and part of that punishment was bread and water. Later on after he got out of the brig I found out that that portion of the punishment was given one meal per day, usually at lunch!

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