Ce face o barcă cu pânze cu catamaran proastă? Ep 247 – Lady K Sailing

41 thoughts on “Ce face o barcă cu pânze cu catamaran proastă? Ep 247 – Lady K Sailing”

1. See you at Annapolis, Tim.

2. Thought there was a whole snafu on using Star Link RV on boats because they want you to buy the (expensive) Marine version? Did they change that policy?

3. Of course, avoid the Lagoon 450 with its grossly under designed bulkheads. It has been determined that it effects all of them and costs tens of thousands to fix it. On smaller cats, i think you are really better served by a mono hull. On sub 40 foot boats, the cabins are basicly singles in the rear and less up front. The Gemini has the athwarts ship birth for the main cabin. Also, if you plan on any time in a marina, expect to pay double for a slp as you will take up 2 slips. A fes of the smaller cats can barely squeeze into a normal slip but may still see a surcharge.

4. alcoholics boat selection train of thought…

5. Great information, as usual Tim. Bridge deck slap is one aspect of cat life I really hadn’t thought about, so good to hear. Thanks!

6. Simples, galley up, beers and cheers in the cockpit as that's where the fridge is and if I feel I need to exercise I just sit down till the feeling goes away and then open another beer. As I said, simples, life shouldn't be complicated.

7. If the buyer is not seasoned to blue water sailing, a cat's speed can be sudden and scary. Excelleration from 7-8 knots to 17 or so plus is awesome but like in the bahamas you can run out of space quickly and drifters can unleash strong winds. Had a Lagoon 47, loved the speed, livability but the inner hull slam can be unnerving. At anchor with a bridle, road much better than my monohulls, less likely wobble in side rollers like main harbor Rum Key or Little Harbor in the Abacos. But my real concern: I never had to face on the cat northers arguing with the gulf stream. Best laid plans . . . forecasts are intelligent guesses. I have serious doubts about unseason dreamers fairing well physically and emotionally. You can't always run down wind in the Gulf Stream or maneuver out of the shallows once under sail in the Bahamas. Shud we buy another boat, most likely wud be a cat but not under 48. Your comments and knowledge are excellent and for me, your videos of the Bahamas nostalgic. Spent half of my 15 years of blue water sailing there including to most of the islands but Andros (that's a lot of islands).

8. Thanks for the Cat episode, please – do more with your charming flair and touch for deals

9. nice intro music

10. great show I like Cats allot the 105 is on my wish list

11. May your mast stay up and your bottom barnacle free.

12. Cats are condos on the water. Yes, they’re easy to live on, but they don’t sail to weathah for crap. I sailed 2300 miles across the Caribbean on a Lagoon 42, it was fun, but I wouldn’t do it again.

13. Many many moons ago, I was deeply in love with catamarans when they just started to show in the blue water cruising World. It was heaven on earth,space, luxury,you name it. All that changed one night when out of the blue, we pitch poled (We took all precautions for a safe night passage,but nature had her own mind that night). Since then, been knocked down in a mono hull was a non event and my mind changed on cats forever.

14. My watching was interrupted sorry if I'm incorrect here, but a big issue for me is fwd visibility, I don't think you mentioned it. Think looking thru is my preference.

15. A fellow Canadian 🇨🇦 aboard a Lagoon 400S2, 40,000nm and 9 years in.
    Still loving my choice, currently in Indonesia 🇮🇩
    Thanks for your efforts
    From Sidney BC, left Canada in 2016
    Watching on StarLink while sailing in the Java Sea, what a life 👍
    You nailed it for the Catamaran Lifestyle, just one addition, maybe I missed it but the washing machine is a plus.
    94.6% of my last 9 years the boat was stopped.

16. Next episode on trimarans. Because The Waterworld.

17. Thanks Tim, As a cat owner, two things that could have been mentioned. Generally I agree with all that you mentioned but I think they all are not a big issue and occur rarely. The two things are; Hobby horsing can be very unpleasant as much as a mono and seasickness from a galley down which is also a mono problem. I have sailed in moderate seas and left my drink on the table and the motion was not enough to lose one drop of my precious drink. Another point is that double maintenance of engines and scraping the hulls is another negative but outweighed by the multitude of advantages. A great advantage is that you can usually travel greater distances in a cat per day. André in Sydney

18. As an engineer, high boom height and fat hulls, which inherently narrows hull centrelines is an issue. It's not the beam width that matters it's beam centre line to centre line that matters. Fat hulls (reduced centre to centre) + extremely high centre of effort = bad dangerous design.
    Low bridge deck can be very dangerous too, if you hit a wave hard this acts like a brake but with sales full of wind and sudden loss of forward motion the boat is seriously stressed and will want to heel=bad news in a crousing cat.
    Keep the fat cat's in the Bahamas! They're great flat water boats

19. Tim Island Packet cat. Let’s talk about it. . . See you at the boat show sir. Let’s have a drink.

20. I don't know why you're not listed as being in the Creator's Tent at the show. You have more subs than most of the channels in the tent.

21. Real sailors don’t sail cats. If you want a floating condo than cats are it.

22. We found what was the best compromise for us between comfort and performance in our Nautitech 441. What I dislike is the anchor on the port bow and the fact that one person has to climb over the other to get in or out of bed. The boat is a fast and comfortable passage maker and the cockpit is a great shelter from the sun and rain. Great ventilation and an awesome galley make liveaboard a pleasure. Located in Grenada.
    SY L’Acadienne

23. Simple solution… just get a trimaran and don't look back

24. Thanks Tim for this again interesting and information rich vlog on catamarans.👍👊 But after many videos about them and all the pro-propaganda lately (often not talking about the so much higher costs) I still prefer my beloved❤ steel Chiquita 38 monohull called 't Boegskip and since last July also my home. But always willing to inform myself on all the pro and cons in mono vs multihull discussion and see some interesting things in multi-hulls..also here in the marina in Den Helder Netherlands (last month the Dutch cat-trimaran association had their anniversary here with 45 catamarans and trimarans in marina) that trigger my creativity to copy it redesigned to my monohull.😎

25. Catamarans are the Oximoron of the boating world, let me explain it simply like this:
    You have a stable platform that's fast! It's large with loads of storage! However once you add weight and fill up that storage it's no longer fast nor stable cause all that weight now causes other issues down the line.

26. There are a lot of fat cats out there that are focused more on livibility and creature comforts than actual sailing. Cats are supposed to be light sleak and nimble, that's how they are intended to sail, light and fast. The modern fat cats IMHO have ruined the sailing characteristics. In favor of being a dock queen.

27. I really appreciate your inciteful views regarding the mono vs multi hull experience. And the price point didn't even rate a mention. Two hulls seem to cost twice as much. Plus mono hulls don't require escape hatches for capsizes.

28. Once again a very nice video to watch

29. Hi Tim,
    My wife and I just completed a Pacific crossing – Mexico to New Zealand – aboard our Catana 431, and arrived back home in Canada for Thanksgiving.
    For the most part I agree with many of your observations. Having previous spent 3 years living aboard a heavy monohull cruiser, catamarans offer a number of practical advantages that make day-to-day living much more enjoyable. To start with the usable space is in the right place – we spend 95% of our hours awake in the main saloon and cockpit, which are on the same level, up above the waterline where you can see what's going on and walk about effortlessly. At anchor, which is where sailors spend most of their days, cats are stable and don't rock around nearly as much. We sometimes watch the masts of our momohull neighbours swinging wildly while we're barely moving, and feel very thankful indeed.
    While some catamarans have been designed to cross oceans, most were designed for the charter trade. Those charter cats are very livable, but some aren't particularly good sailboats. They often have very low bridge decks and wide hulls to maximize interior volume. That results in much more hull slapping and relatively poor sailing performance, and in some cases compromised build quality.
    Sailing performance, particularly light-wind performance, matters for passage-making. Almost any boat will make reasonable progress in 15 plus knots of wind. But many boats struggle in light conditions, and need to motor surprisingly often. While motoring is necessary, it isn't nearly as nice, or as much fun, as sailing. Properly designed cats can sail well in a very wide range of wind conditions. We only used the motors for one hour during the 3,100 nautical mile passage from Mexico to French Polynesia. The apparent wind was 10 knots or less for nearly half of the trip, but we were still able to complete the passage with an average speed of 6 knots. And, that was sailing pretty conservatively – preemptively reefing the mainsail at night, regardless of the conditions.
    As you note, payload weight is a issue, and keeping cats relatively light is key to maintaining good sailing performance. As such, anything less than 40 feet is probably too small for living aboard. Especially, once you factor in how much tankage, stores, tools, spares, are needed, plus the toys most people want. One needs to be a real minimalist to make a smaller cat work.
    Lastly, a lot of people, particularly non-sailors, feel uncomfortable on boats that heel. Sailing isn't fun if you're uncomfortable. After living on both, my wife simply wouldn't go off-shore cruising on anything other than a cat. And she's not alone. That's why Catamarans are currently selling at something of a premium and monohulls at a discount.

30. I’d not buy any recognized charter cat today. You can buy excellent “off brand” cats like a Woods cat for far cheaper, and get better performance. Look to the fringes for deals. It’s the knowledgeable buyer that gets the house deals.

31. The cat I am curious about won’t be at the Annapolis show but the founders will be in L tent. That’s the Hop Yacht 30. I think it might be a good boat for seasonal trips up and down the ICW and maybe a Loop.
    I have looked at some used lower priced cats like the Gemini and while the galley is down in the hull, the fridge is next to the cockpit, so it looks reachable from the galley, salon and just in from the cockpit. I’m not a chef so the fridge would be most of my interest. Although I have a portable 12v fridge I could put in the cockpit. The design choice I’m not a fan of is that there is a nice owners bunk forward, but the head is forward in the other hull so at night you would need to go through the entire boat to use it.
    Regarding hull slap, you get that on mono’s with aft cabins, so I don’t think it’s a big deal. If Bridge deck slap is happening, I doubt anyone is sleeping. My mono sailboat would be rocking so hard it might be hard to stay in bed let alone sleep. Slamming bridge decks is a thing underway and I would hope to know how a particular boat acted before buying it. Also hobby horsing that some smaller cats are known for.
    I think cats are becoming popular because you spend a lot more time at anchor than sailing and the space is great for that. Over time they have been evolving into condos and sailers, so it’s good to research what kind you want. My budget is primarily keeping me in monos, or some older small cats

32. Before watching this, I have your answer. It’s the 2nd hull.

33. Have fun in Annapolis Tim! Hopefully I can make it next year. Cheers!

34. I don't like catamarans.

35. Great overview…thanks!

36. "Gin clear water" 😂

37. If I had the money for a Leopard, or Lagoon catamaran, I would just instead get a 10-15 year old mid 40s LOA monohaul, with the beam going back to the stern, dual wheels, electric main winches, plenty of off grid power, and probably have some money spare other things.

38. I’m learning everything but no outlet for any of it. Japan is a successful island but not a maritime nation. Will keep trying to make it work.

39. See you at the Show!

40. If you want a floating condo…get a cat. If you want a blue water boat get a properly built monohull.
    Unfortunately , many of the production monos chasing the market are more and more like cats. Huge "kitchens, living rooms and bedrooms" and beam to length proportions which are not only absurd but ugly . Ugly is the operative word for cats, but their real downfall is going to weather. 
    I watched a recent YouTube channel where the couple was sailing a cat from the Virgins to Martinque and they , according to their only words, were "beating to weather close hauled" . But according to their Raymarine indicator their heading was 62 apparent. I would call that a close reach on any monohull I've sailed. Whereas on a mono close hauled always meant 45 to 35 depending upon the boat.
    It ain't sailing; it drifting with the wind on a cat.

41. I have no clue about Starlink at sea but at home, it works great unless a large thunderstorm is parked above you. I've been on the service for 2 years now. Yes the speed did decrease after beta ended but now I just see it getting better and better. In the last 24 hours I experienced 5 total seconds of downtime. That is better than Comcast managed over the 20 years I had them as an ISP. So yeah, the daily thunderstorms might be your only issue. One last thing is latency, the time it takes for the signal from your device to hit the internet and back, now averages 24ms.

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