Catamarane de performanță vs non-performanță – Regândirea următoarei noastre ambarcațiuni

32 thoughts on “Catamarane de performanță vs non-performanță – Regândirea următoarei noastre ambarcațiuni”

1. Great video, i wonder how many couples end up with a performance Cat or Tri thats scares the 5hit out of them? It would be even worse if you threw in a couple of kids as well.

2. I think the prices for the high end builds will moderate more quickly than you expect – there has been plenty of stories of buyers walking away from deposits paid for a build as thier personal economic situation has deteriorated in the last 12months.

3. Nice!

4. Really enjoyed this one. I'm with you on the comfort aspect, it is much more important to be comfortable than going fast.

5. You guys need to get a boat, you have been on the beach too long and are loosing your minds!. Seriously.. find a boat and go already!

6. Sailing Zatara on their Provilege 57 did the crossing in 18 days

7. Having sailed racing boats through to heavy cruisers both mono hull and multi hull my feeling is as I get older that I'd rather be on a boat that I can sail more than motor. So for me that means more performance orientated. I can always sail a fast boat slower and in light winds. The same cannot be said for the heavier slower boat. You do you.

8. This has got to be one of you best video's imo.

9. Part of the journey is always self-discovery. Sometimes paradigm shifts come full circle and that's OK. I would stipulate that speed on passage is heavily dependent on the crew's ability to safely maximize the potential of their boat on average, not for remote periods. Good vid.

10. Thank you for the video. I recently came across your channel and like it.

    I've only watched a couple YouTubers with Outremers and I picked up on some recurring rationalizing of why speed and specialized sails matter, which felt forced. You outlined some good reasons why it doesn't matter and cost is a thing. Good luck on your next boat decisions.

11. Great summary of experience of performance boats! Hope you find a great boat that meets your needs!😊

12. Why a performance boat; you can sail in light winds. Going fast for me is not important but If the wind increases I am still safe.

13. I feel like the Neel 47 runs a great balance between comfort, performance and price. But a lot of people don't feel the same way.

14. Lovely, good video which even made me laugh!

15. This had TOO BE THE BEST PRODUCTION I have watched. So entertaining and fun too watch , and informing and light hearted. THANK YOU AND CHEERS AND FAIR WINDS Steve h ❤

16. Firstly, you've pretty much nailed making a video without a boat which, for a sailing channel, is a preeeettty big ask. Secondly, you confirmed we got the right boat (Leopard 62)
    Thirdly, the personal growth is evident, I actually enjoy your channel a lot more. Hope you find a perfect for you boat soon, if you haven't already

17. You can go slow in a fast boat, but not visa- versa.
    Going slow in a fast boat is perhaps more comfortable than doing the same speed in a slow boat.
    And of course better making up wind when you have to.
    Performance is not just about sailing fast, it is about sailing well. Good up wind, good in light wind, good in heavy wind, good at manoeuvring, all without having to resort to the engine.
    Slow boats rely on engines to get upwind much more so.
    I would buy a fast boat, but with a sensible rig. Note even most slow boats have rigs derived from racing tradition, ie swept back spreaders. Anyone who is old enough to have had a cat with a mast head rig will know what I mean. Ideally an unstayed mast with a free rotating sail, so you can actually release the throttle completely

18. Great show, but would you buy a monohull over a cat?

19. I've sailed a Corsair F-31 for the last 20+ years. While it is an extremely different boat than a cruising cat, one thing I really like about it is its ability to sail in light airs. I live in Southern California so this is an issue. I've cruised on a friends Seawind 1000. If it wasn't blowing 12 kts, we were motoring or motor sailing. When comparing different levels of performance for your catamaran choice are you considering this aspect? Or, do you expect to mostly be sailing in > 12 kts?

20. Just found the channel, very high production quality on the video!
    Slow and secure is good, it's nice to know that the ship can push through harsher environments. Which also grands more exotic places to explore.
    And about speed: "Some people sail with the intention of getting away from the ocean as fast as possible". If I wanna go fast, I would fly a passenger plane. Which would be fast and boring, because speed is relative. It's about the thrill of speed, not the actual numbers on the speedometer.

21. Thanks for this video. Very interesting and a worthwhile watch. If it takes a little longer to get there in a "less high perfomance" boat, does it really matter? Surely passages are the getting there and a 10/20/30% difference in time on passage pales into insignificance with the length of time you amble around wherever you make landfall? I guess you are not aiming to circumnavigate as fast as possible?

22. Dear O'Kelly's, Enjoying all your content. It is a lot of fun analyzing all the trade offs involved in selecting the "right" boat. A good compromise might be to decide you don't need to cross oceans. If you end up not desiring to cross oceans then the boat selection becomes a lot easier and much less expensive. With the money you save by deciding to not cross oceans you can get a "less is more" type house ashore or base an RV some where that compliments the cruising area you decide to base the new boat or just "airbnb it" when you return home to Oregon when you want a break from living on a boat and want to spend time with established friends and family. Or "airbnb it" when you travel away from the boat by airplane across oceans. Doing as described above is my approach so, obviously, I am projecting what I do which may not fit you guys. To do the above you can pick a cruising ground then pick a boat well suited to that cruising ground. For example if you pick a cruising area with trade winds then you don't have to allocate so much of your budget to a boat that sails well in light wind, points well or has great performance in general. If you pick a cruising area with less dependable wind and a lot of light wind a good option is go with hybrid aux power so you can reduce the time you have to run an ICE, go with a boat that points well and performs well in light wind. If you decide to not cross oceans you can allocate more of your budget for a new boat to comfort while anchored versus all that is required to to safely cross oceans at a reasonable pace. As you pointed out if do decide to cross oceans following the trade winds and sailing downwind most of the time the difference in speed between a performance versus non performance going down wind is not that great. What about doing a deal with a charter company where the charter company charters the boat during the high season and you get the use of the boat the other 7-8 months? I think the math works well for that with a boat based in Croatia. Then for 4-5 months you can go wherever you want by airplane including spending time in Oregon.

23. TRUTH! Amazing! More importantly, the Oscar goes to…

24. Spot on! The crew must be happy and healthy onboard and that starts with good seamanship and boat handling skills. The right boat is better than the fastest boat. And a “production” cat can be the right boat! In fact, not all production cats are slow and heavy and with the right sailors and a “complete” set of sails you can go “fast” but the getting there isn’t to be missed out on! You’ll find the right boat and I’m glad you are still enjoying the adventure along the way!

25. Always, always, always – intelligent!

26. So Nick I imagine now you have understand what I told you all those year back in St Augustine when you come out of the water with your Leopard 46 and next to us on the hard with our Outremer 55. The best boat is the one with the least compromises for you. So good luck to the 2 of you looking and your best compromise. It could be a cat a mono an RV or a cabin were ever , but what ever that is enjoy.

27. Congratulations to an entertaining, funny, insightful video! You address many points that we are mulling over and over as well. My wife Kathy and I live on a 2020 Leopard 45 and we love the liveability and the space on board. However we would love to have a bit of extra speed and a better sailplan. Downwind sailing in up ton 20-23 kts True Wind Speed is good thanks to our Oxley Spinnaker, but upwind tacking is inefficient and the hobby-horsing is making it no fun at all. So we think about a faster boat which also has some ability to tack upwind from time to time. December 2023 we did our second east-west Atlantic crossing 2760nm in 21 days, averaging 5,5 kts. Maybe in a Outremer 52 we would have done 7,5kts? In such a case we would have had 15 days instead of 21. Big difference. BUT: Over the last 3 years we lived 80% on board and made aprox 15'000 nautical miles with an average of 5,8 kts, giving us roughly 2590 hrs underway, which equals around 12% of the total time we were on board. True, the range of destination reachable in a daytrip changes significantly, but how important is ist? We are still undecided, maybe we would travel more with a faster boat, because it's more fun… 😉 However, the market may change, and maybe you are right, Nick, and some of the first time boat owners who have chosen a perfomance cat may come to the conclusion they are in over their heads and put them on the market. Meanwhile I really hope you find a boat, at least one that is good to live the life on the water even if maybe not the fastest one out there… 🙂 Would love to meet you again!

28. Dear O'Kelly's, Checkout what Delos is doing for Delos 2.0. Looks a lot a Chris White Cat with forward cock pit but made out of aluminum. Maybe you can find a yard and do something similar with the designer of your choice. But have no idea of the $$ involved versus buying a great used boat that fits your needs.

29. Great video displaying your learning, situational awareness and mission intent for the plane or the boat. Just like you guys, we love being out seeing the natural beauty and meeting, helping and being helped by great people while cruising. We're on boats of many sizes and designs in the same beautiful anchorage, island trail or beach. I think your prediction on the market affect will be accurate. The romantic vision tempered by sober reality puts it all in perspective.

30. this is really interesting and think about this a lot. When there is low wind you want a fast boat, but when the windsea is high you need a safe boat -the lack of speed is not the issue. How do you balance both? We charter, so the bottom of the pyramid, and always have small factory sails -we would get a lot of perf out of a proper rig alone vs getting into a high perf boat. I really just need an efficient low wind sail! And most important part! danger always shows up when the weather is not nice – 100% of the time! You need to test a boat out in rough conditions or you dont know the boat.

31. One of the wisest takes on this was from some older ex professional windsurfers or kite boarders. The couple said they wanted a boat big enough to bring their fast toys but be comfy for when you are in take it easy mode. They were giddy on their fountaine pajot, we'll go fast when we get there and we'll be well rested in between.

32. You are headed toward a performance mono. I had raced monos for decades, and also raced a Hobie Cat for 10 years. Great thrills, but also many capsizes. When it came time to buy a boat to cruise around the world, I went with a performance mono. It didn't have what I call the pucker factor when the weather is rough and you know that one mistake will end your adventure. It was also faster on passages than similar length catamarans because when the autopilot drives the boat 99% of the time, you have to sail a cat very conservatively. Best of all, the mono cost a fraction of what a cat does.

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