Dick Beaumont, fondatorul Kraken Yachts, se așează să vorbească despre tragica scufundare a Bayesianului cu jurnalistul de navigație, Dick Durham. PS Au fost câteva probleme tehnice cu înregistrarea videoclipului, sperăm să nu distragă atenția de la conversație!
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Scufundarea Yacht-ului Bayesian – O discuție sinceră
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The tragedy began when large amounts of water flooded into the yacht. One could conclude that the cabin doors could no longer be opened due to the water pressure from outside. As with the "Symphony of the Seas", the cabin doors on the Bayesian appear to open outwards. If there is massive pressure from outside, the cabin doors can no longer be opened. Of course, 15 people could be saved. Apparently they were still able to open the cabin doors.
Thank you for speaking the truth!!!
Problem is simple. "Italian Design" anyone who has ever tried to service any Italian build boat knows they are made to look nice, not to sail or service. Sailed across the pond six times. Seen a few pieces of unsinkable boats.
A downflooding angle of 45 degrees is not unusually low for large vessels. Nor is the angle of vanishing stability of 73 degrees. What counts is the ability to withstand heeling to those angles. I would venture to suggest that even if Bayesian was hard pressed under full sail it would be incredibly difficult or nigh or impossible to lay her over beyond 30 degrees under normal conditions. This vessel is designed to 1) provide luxury accommodation at exotic locations, 2) move between exotic locations and 3) sail in pleasure regattas at these locations. It has done this successfully for quite a few years. I agree that we should not be looking to make the skipper a scapegoat, nor should we be too critical of a design which was basically fit for purpose but unfortunately hit by a freak event.
I have seen 3 water spouts at sea, none closer than 2nm away, the last one 5 weeks ago. I have been knocked down by a rogue wave with the mast briefly going underwater. My AVS is 115 ° so the knockdown was a close thing. You will experience freak events if you are at sea long enough.
Climate change is real, but it is not man made, we can not combat it, the climate is and has always been changing. This boat sunk because it was badly designed/operated. Boats have always sunk due to bad weather, more so in the past than today, yes we tend to have better designs and knowledge, but we have always had bad weather events. Greta Beaumont should just stick to what he knows.
100 % unseaworthy
a real sailor would not board or purchase
stand up in a canoe no thanks
deep keel high coaming thx
Well explained with lots of knowledge and commom sense
Well done Gentlemen.
Thank you guys, I agree completely with everything you have said. I am a retired superyacht captain, I previously worked on a Perini Navi sailing yacht, and yes those large heavy sliding doors caused us problems in rough weather
I was horrified to hear the comments of the Perini Navi representative putting all the blame on the crew within a few hours of this disaster and also the Italian legal prosecuter saying there was probable cause of manslaughter by three crew members, all of this before the results of any investigations are concluded. This yacht was hit by a freak weather event that no one could have predicted and I believe the crew were all on deck doing what the crew would normally do, securing the boat. The crew were all washed overboard, one crew member sadly drowned and the crew rescued other guest and got them in the lifeboat. That yacht sank in such a short period of time, I believe no crew on any yacht could have or would have done any different. Some of the press and media reports are totally disgusting and we should all wai for final enquiries. The crew should get themselves the best maritime lawyers available as i feel they are being set up as scapegoats in this tragic event
RIP to all those souls who perishedt🎉
The skipper of the Sir Robert Baden Powell did wake up all persons on board, did close all hatches, did start the engines and was about to head the bow towards the waves. So there was already one skipper who did take measures against the weather. But I agree, the flooding angles and the instructions to lower center board only whilst sailing and being offshore did finally lead to the catastrophe. To many weak points, too many “big dicks” (the mast, the lowered entertainment aérea, all the lose furnitures etc.) and too much hubris.
Listened with interest, and the arguments sound logical, except for the comments on climate change.
Of course climate change is happening – it always has happened, but we’ve no way of predicting how it’s going to proceed – the data will have to be collected over millennia, not 1 000 years for us to be able to
predict. Then what can we do about it? Nothing – it’s a natural phenomenon. We need to learn how to survive it.
Great comments and analysis…. until the bull about climate change. That was disappointing .
Fantastic, this is so spot on! I would like to add that, while technically a sloop rigged sailboat, this boat was actually….stability wise….more of a motor yacht, with a design to minimize heeling and to stay upright…which she did for oh, 16 years. But the Achilles Heel …that mast and weight and drag from it, caused it to be vulnerable to an extraordinary weather event given it's poor angles of recovery. The video seemed to imply that prior to the downburst, the boat was doing as designed – staying very upright – quite a low angle of heel – until BAM – a microburst driven total knockdown and immediate sinking. What a great interview – thanks fellas!!!!!
Why was the keel not all the way down
Yes well said Dick. I think this was an accident waiting to happen. Having a sailing yacht that relies on it's beam for stability is ok up to a certain size , say 30 feet. Many sailing dinghies rely on beam to keep them up, if they capsize as they do , no big deal . A close to 200' yacht with a draft of only 13' we have a problem. Depending on design Swing Keels don't make a big difference to the righting moment, they are there more for lateral resistance. For stability you use a weighted Drop Keel. The other thing is the ridiculously high mast had 6 sets of spreaders creating an enormous amount of windage. This boat was going to capsize with or without sails set at some point. I grew up on a 50' racing / cruising yacht built in the late 1930s . We were knocked down once with a sudden downdraft in totally protected waters. Full sails with virtually no prevailing wind. The 65' mast hit the water, after half a minute or less the boat righted itself and we continued on our way. Somewhat shaken and bellow deaks a mess there was no damage and no water had entered the cabin. It was a proper yacht that still sails in Sydney Harbour today.
You are omitting the rest of the sentence of mister Costantino!
Excellent!
Lots of things are right in this video and Mr Beaumont is clearly very competent, but he is also extremely selective with the evidence, so he ends up very much as the mirror image of Mr Costantino, both speaking ‘for their companies’. Here are a few examples.
1) Bayesian was clearly not built with safety in extreme weather as the primary consideration, but this does not mean that Perini was negligent. Bayesian would have been certified by RINA, and those features would have been to norm. There may be other flaws we don’t know about, but it seems unlikely that charges could be brought based on such obvious design elements.
2) It is disingenuous to state that the owners were oblivious to those vulnerabilities. AVS and DA are well know to anyone with a Yachtmaster, and if I had 150millions to spend on a boat I would hire an independent consultant. Clearly, Mr and Ms Lynch were not planning to sail in the Southern Ocean, and they prioritised other features.
3) it is ludicrous to insinuate that the Italian judiciary could be influenced by commercial considerations. They are notoriously and fiercely independent. Their press conference was a model of restraint and discretion. MAIB has nothing to do with this, as they do not apportion blame but rather issue safety recommendations. It will of course be very interesting to read their report.
4) Although I agree that the crew should not be blamed at this point, there are a few disturbing elements that Mr Beaumont chose to ignore. Firstly, AIS data indicated that Bayesian started dragging its anchor at 1:59 UTC. They were anchored in 30m of water, with the bottom sloping sharply. How much chain did they have down? They should have had at least 200m, probably more. Secondly, the only video that was made available shows that Bayesian had an electrical blackout when its mast was upright. Although there are other explanations, one possibility is that the engine room was already flooded at that point. BTW, there is to my knowledge no video in the public domain showing the boat leaning over 45 degrees. The crew stated to that effect, but we don’t know the sequence of events.
All in all, information at this point is insufficient to apportion blame. I have no sympathy for. Mr Costantino, and I think his statements were either callous or absurd (no boat is unsinkable). However, blaiming Perini’s staff is almost as bad.
I really enjoyed the way you were discussing this event, especially having the video in mind, when you talked about seaworthy boats with the Millenials on their YT-channel. When you did the video with Adam there was no tragic accident ahead so you could discuss criteria for offshore-rating of production boats with an amusing black humor. The videos with Adam are 3 years old now and they are as up to date as they can be. When you argued that there are 201 people responsible I thought you would be coming up with the regulations again. We completely agree on the first one and it must have been a pain for the naval architect to sign of the boat as a boat. It was a floating partyzone. On the other hand the naval architect was an honest man. He documented the 45° flooding angle, he documented the AVS of 73° but obviously the boat was registered in the UK as an ocean going yacht and nobody insisted on "Hide the party-zone in the channels of Venice, anything else might end as a tragedy!"
I am also interested in the outcome of the investigation and the consequences for the crew. I hope they will not blame them for the problems in boat design and the acceptance of such designs by the officials.
You once mentioned that at sea you need a boat that looks after you and not the other way around. The Bayesian would have been a quite safe boat but only with the AC-vents closed, with all doors and hatches locked, … and this is definitely not what you do in a protected anchorage in a summer night when you want the AC running…
IMO what caused this vessel to sink? In a word… Ego.
You two Dicks need to make more videos.
I hadn’t heard of a ‘downburst’ until the reporting of this event. I experienced an extreme weather event on passage between Hawaii and San Diego on a Hallberg-Rassy 42E. I received a weather fax forecasting a developing Low Pressure system with Hurricane force expected. Naturally I shortened sail (fully reefed main, equivalent furl to genoa and no mizzen) even though wind speeds were below 18 knots at the time. Cutting to the chase, we saw some dark clouds on the horizon so we put the storm boards in and monitored the situation. Suddenly, the wind speed increased from <20knts up and up to 60kts (within seconds) and then the anemometer went dead. It was blown off the top of the mast (apparently rated to 130kts.). I released all sheets and halyards but she kept healing over. We were healed over for a few minutes with the centre cockpit becoming a spa bath and water pouring through the storm board vents. Fortunately, it only lasted a few minutes. She righted and the wind was calm for long enough to ensure the bilge pumps did their job, make contact with US Coast Guard, and then prepare ourselves for 48 hours of hurricane force winds and over 10m waves (that’s another story) BUT I realise now that what we experienced was probably a downburst – and I wouldn’t want to experience another.
You can’t predict all weather events but you can choose your vessel of safe passage and that is why I hope to circumnavigate again – next time on a Kraken.
The microphone picking up the ambient watch hitting the table was a distraction from what seems to of been an insightful interview
Why did the Captain and crew of the other boat anchored nearby start preparing for bad weather much earlier? I don't think the person on anchor watch was qualified to be left alone on watch. The other ship saw weather they didn't like and the engine was started to keep the boat staying into the wind. How did this boat get insurance? It has obvious design flaws.
What cover up from the Italian autorithies?
They are doing a great job they don’t need the English to rule in these matters
Thank you for your views on this, very interesting.
Not only is the mast too long but the weight of the sails furled inside the mast had to be immense. I didn’t know that the deck was so predisposed to flooding!! That design is basically perfect for a ‘death trap’.
If you want to see a boat with huge masts that hasn't sunk, look at The Maltese Falcon. The differences between that gorgeous super yacht and Bayesian are staggering.
To enlarge the keel to 9,8m they need 30 minutes, not 10 as you have discussed…
… and this would be very noisy
The avs and flooding angle are the bulider responsibility
Nice advert for kraken Dick
Total sense the builders!!
The best discussion so far! Thank you!