Bavaria 31 sau Hallberg Rassy 310 ??

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1. Hello mate. Interesting video. I bought a Malo 38 a year ago and she is a wonderful vessel. She would go around the world in comfort and style. If you are ever in Dartmouth, come and have a look! Best wishes James

2. I like your Bavaria 31 a lot – used to own a Bavaria 33 and it was a great little boat – but I agree to look for someting else if going to do a lot af miles offshore. I think you could be even more HAPPY looking at a cat, something like Maxim 380. It is a cheap cat, and build like a tank.

3. Please don’t do your next one single handed. Take me 😅, I will chip in and do the work 😉

4. Good thoughts. Forever boat? There is an Apogee Chuck Paine boat for sale in MX. I had an agreement to purchase, my wife begged me to drop it. She has a leisure furl system which I consider important. 52 feet long with a singlehanded sailor in mind. Heartbeat is her name. I currently sail a Bavaria 34 in the Caribbean.

5. Sel the Bavaria 31, buy a newer and bigger Bavaria. For +€90.000 ekstra, you could get a around 36-44 feet Bavaria. So isnt the comparison how much boat you could get for €150.000? (Or how ever much of funds you have awaylable) I wouldnt cross the Atlantic in a 31 feet boat, and definetely not the Pacific. My limit is 38 feet, preferably 42 fo a around the world tour.

6. Your Bavaria is like a Seat and the HR is like a Mercedes. HR is made and designed better and it will keep its value and quality for years to come because of that. The design philosophy is also different. In Bavaria the emphasis is on cost and high internal volume and in HR quality and sailing properties.

   You are comparing the gear like both have a same engine – it is not just that, the main thing is how the engine has been installed and mounted. For the mast – everything in the HR regarding the mast is bigger and stronger. Selden has several different solutions for the masts and HR uses the best quality – Bavaria uses the cheaper components. Just as an example the rigging screws 5/8 size with a togle is about 200 € and 1/2 without a togle is less than 100 €.

   The hull of the HR is a lot stiffer, the keel attachment is better and it is made of lead. HR does not have similar bolt on keel like Bavaria – HR has a keel that attaches to a "stump" in the bottom of the boat and that configuration has greater strength + it puts the weight of the keel lower. (this is not to say that Bavaria is unsafe – it is just made with a solution that is a lot cheaper to make)

   In general the weight in HR is where it needs to be and the lamination is over parts when doing attachments to different parts of the boat (+clue). Bavaria uses mainly clue and like the deck is clued not laminated (this goes to all Bavarias) also the hull stringers etc. are clued not properly laminated in Bavaria.

   There are no boats that have all of the interior solid wood only the handhelds etc. are solid. There is no point of doing the wood solid as it would be too heavy and the weight would be in a wrong place. Bavaria interiors are elements that are put to the boat before the deck is attached – this makes it difficult to fix leaks etc. if they are behind the module. Many have had problems with headlining etc. when you need to take the roof panel out to fix something in the deck or add new gear. In HR you can dismantle for example the headlining and put it together again (also Dehler, Hanse and some others use these big headliner modules – they are stupid if you ask me).

   Best manufactures use core filled elements in the interior to save weight + add stiffness – like HR. This is really expensive. Doing it light and putting weight were it needs to be makes boats expensive. I am not sure does HR use different fibers in different areas for maximum strength but I am pretty sure they do. Bavaria does not do this as it is so expensive.

   I do not have a HR or Bavaria. I have sailed several Bavarias and HR:s. I have a boat made in Sweden with similar solutions to HR (I bought it used before Covid when the prices were still down). I think in the end when sailing the big difference between a really quality boat vrs. low quality boat is the sounds. In a high quality boat the boat does not creek and make noises when on sail in choppy seas. In a Hanse, Diva, Bavaria the sounds are sometimes alarming under sail. At least for me it is really hard to sleep or chill in a boat that makes cracking noises from the rig etc.

   My comments are not to put down your Bavaria or any Bavaria's it is just stating the differences. It does not matter what your boat is you can have same experiences and explore same places in them. Just like you can drive to Paris from Berlin with a Seat or Mercedes.

   Good plan to change the boat to get the boat for rest of your life – you will only loose money if you change boat gradually to get a bigger one. Happy sailing.

7. Don't forget they have very good resale value. If you keep them well maintained, you won't loose as much as on the cheaper brands. We have a Najad 361 and we love this boat very much.

8. Let's say we have a comparison between a Mercedes Benz A and a Ford Fiesta.

9. Niice video. Entertaining with facts🎉

10. Well, I am Italian and know these boats, no way if you get a Southerly you get so much more….. there is no comparison, these are just the past. Seaworthiness, inside visibility at chart, variable draft with a deep draft, comfort… It is no way years ahead! Andrea

11. How about another YouTube posting .. ? 'Bentley or Ford Focus' ? The last time I stepped aboard a Bavaria I could almost see through the hull when stepping into the heads.

12. I owned a 1990 Hallberg-Rassy 352 for 18 years, then sold it and bought a brand-new Bavaria Cruiser 37, which I've now owned for 10 years. The HR352 was a nice boat, but had a number of problems. The gelcoat was degrading in lots of places, the teak deck was close to needing a replacement (£35K ouch!), and the much-vaunted HR build quality was patchy when you looked into lockers, beneath the flooring, etc. In contrast, the Bavaria is a very well-made production boat. In 10 years, nothing has broken, there's been no leaks or creaks or groans. It's well put together. I'm an engineer and coming from HR ownership I did wonder what the Bavaria would be like longer term; I've been pleasantly surprised.

    There are loads of urban myths about Bavarias, some of which have already been mentioned in the comments here, usually by people who have little real knowledge of the boats. Take keels – someone claimed that the HR's keel is better attached than the Bavaria's – untrue, they're both bolted and the Bavaria keel is glued in addition. Then people claim the Bavaria's furniture is made of chipboard – untrue, it's solid marine ply. And the old "I could see daylight through the Bavaria's hull" – I could see daylight through my HR hull too, as GRP is basically translucent.

    If I had lots of spare cash, I'd happily buy a new Hallberg-Rassy, as I like their overall style and interior finishes. But for better value, the Bavaria is excellent.

13. Ha Ha 😂 I’ll be keeping my Bavaria thanks 👍 The J & J interiors with Mahogany wood are a lot better. Bavaria used to be a furniture manufacturer so i guess the trade ran over into the yachts. My 36 doesn’t have that flimsy deck piece, I’ll show you when i get down in June to for that beer. 🍻

14. What a great comparison which is backed up by some metrics and first-hand experience. I like the charming edits and also the model in the thumbnail. Looking forward to the next video!

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