Nu navigând Irlanda de Nord – Grafice de hârtie – ECDIS – Electronică pentru bărci – Ep. 378

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1. Also, in my opinion, you might need to ponder about the current political crises. It’s not beyond belief that certain countries might attempt to scupper the current system using satellites altogether!

2. I have electronic charts on my tablet that are useful, but prefer paper charts for passage planning 😊

3. Very interesting girls, thank you. I had thought that it would still be possible to go into some chandlers who have an appropriate printer, to get 'bespoke' charts printed off from the latest admiralty digital chart. Do you know if this is the case? Best wishss. James

4. I’m a secret chart sniffer too. I have over 200 charts underneath my bed. They are all at least 40 years old and once used, however rocks don’t move…..I have very few IMRAY charts as they were not very reliable back then.

   However we must come kicking and screaming into the new world. My current go to electronic version is Opencpm.

   All those years ago when GPS was just sneaking in for the very few wealthy boats I once asked a skipper what would he do if his GPS broke mid ocean and he said I’ll just get another one out of the box… they had multiple spares. He was an air Canada pilot and it was hard to argue that rationale. It has stuck with me ever since, but I’m still sleeping on my 200 charts 😝

5. Guess partly down to skipper's assessment of the risk … and from a 'mission critical' electronics type background, this skipper is realistic and more cautious with electric/electronic systems than most!! We sail all year, sail at night, sail offshore and rely heavily on our electronics … so those electronic systems need to be robust. And, sharp intake of breath, we've not used paper charts in two seasons.

   In mitigation, we have two chartplotters in our main B&G system plus a totally stand-alone Lowrence Hook Reveal 5" plotter/GPS/depth that takes same SDCARD charts from B&G system. SDCARDS wear out so we have both C-MAP and Navionics SDCARDs for our cruising areas. The Hook 5 cost ~£290 three years ago and at the time came with full European C-MAP SDCARD for an extra ~£70 which also works perfectly in our B&G plotters … an amazing bargain!

   We are doing a bit of a rewire too. All super critical kit … VHF radio, bilge pump, nav lights, one cabin light and socket for Lowrance plotter are on a separate fusebox with change-over switch from house battery to engine battery. If house battery system fails, we can immediately switch to an alternative power source … but that is my assessment of what's necessary to mitigate the reliance we have on our electronics systems. Many who weekend sail, which is probably the majority, will think this is complete overkill!

6. Howdy
   I always carry paper charts as a back up and planning if there are lots of hazards. They are my independent backup system to the electronic systems. My main chart plotter is a Axion 9 and I have Navionics on my phone. The phone allows me to investigate (zoom in) for details or look ahead. This is awesome for anchoring as I see what is around me. I can also use the phone when below. If you do eventually go to an integrated system for the boat, I’d suggest an autopilot that works with the chart plotter. There are more and more options out there for electronic. I’d start on a phone if you haven’t already. It sounds like you do use some electronic charts. My 2 cents. Off to go skiing. Cheers. 🇨🇦

7. I have a good few paper charts on board but for large the last mile/harbours I print from Savy navy screen shots and make my notes as part of my passage plan file, thankfully I did my navigation training with paper charts and still practice DR

8. Ladies, this is an important issue. I was born long time before GPS. So came the revolution with GPS. And now we have come to the issue that USA can turn off GPS. Or Russia can move half of Ireland to the same parallell at Svarlbard. Then you are back to basics, regardless of electronic systems. Of course, China has their 'GPS' Europe has their 'GPS'. They all have in common that they can be jammed. sv Hulda is equipped with new system from Garmin that likes to fail when it is most inconvenient. No one can tell why. Then I have charts on laptop with external antenna. Then Navionics on phone and Samsung pad with internal antenna. In addition we have a MASE 8000 Mariner gen.set. But the weak point is operational GPS. On board sv Hulda the Admiral (my belowed wife) is passage planner. She dislikes electronics. And stuff. Som it is paper charts. 'How far is it?' I ask. Answer 'ten and a half toothpick. We should be there at 1400 hrs, take or give 15 minutes'. Or she has been sitting on her one pund worth pair of glasses, using the hanger as meassure. Completely hopeless. But at 1400 hrs, give or take 15 minutes, we are there. With a toothpick and paper chart. Without thousands spent on electronics. But in our waters, with millions of islands and reefs, electronics is a blessing. Overrunning navigation by toothpick.

9. I have an independent allpowers power pack puts out 12 and 240 .
   Charges off a battery , 240 or the fold up solar panel . Charges my tablets, phones , will run a sander , grinder .
   TV and firestick all day.
   Excellent bit of kit .

10. Currently using Navionics on an samsung tablet. Battery life is 7 hours before recharge, charging time is temp dependent. gps is accurate to 3 feet. Charts are quite detailed & easy to zoom in on. Used in the med 2 years back no problem , saves track , plots course , all usual data on paper maps . £39 a year for Uk , Ireland , european coast facing UK. With internet you can access "active captain" and the bits missing are getting charted by boats with depth sounders & sonar linking up to Navionics to update the e chart. But I do have a sextant just in case 😮 😅😅

11. Navionics on an iPad… in the cockpit. I have a 12V charger in the salon, just outside the rear cabin door. The I pad is on a clamp attached to the companion way sliding roof. It’s permanently on external power, and if the cable falls out, you’ve got several hours to plug in again. I also keep a couple of power packs charged. Just in case.
    Myself and one other crew member have phones with navionics on them, as backup.
    The paper charts are still on the chart table.
    The navionics set up IS SO handy… marina phone numbers and RAdio channels, real time tidal direction…
    Going into Campbeltown last year for the first time, we were learning the quirks and channels, phoning the marina, researching and booking our dINNer and letting the folks at home know we had arrived.
    It’s all too handy for a fat old bloke
    The rest of our systems are elderly, and will need upgrading soon, but with interfaces becoming cheaper, I suspect we will soon have wINd, depth sounder and speed over the water all on the iPad…
    And….. of an evening, the iPad became an internet hotspot for the crew

12. I have a large inventory of BA and Imray paper charts, but its 20 years since I last had to use them such is the detail, reliability and ease of use of electronic chart plotters backed up by mobile phone chart apps. Yea if trump and putin face off causing Galleleo, Glonass and the GPS constellations go all go offline, it'll be back to eyeball and the HBC with paper, but to behonest offshore cruising in these islands its difficult to get lost so distinctive is the coastline and most cruisers are familiar with their favourite cursing routes. Yea it used to be fun to impress your friends taking out the HBC plotting a paper fix, or an EP, and confirming it on the GPS display. Times move on, glad I had the experience and will hang on to my charts for nostalgia reasons. We have to trust tech, otherwise never board another EasyJet or Ryanair 737 again. They have no paper or analogue backup.

13. When I were a lad – and for quite some time thereafter – I used to hill-walk. Armed with food and tent etc for several days I used to wander in the Mournes, then the Highlands of Scotland and latterly around the mountains of N Wales. Between the Mournes and the Highlands I served in the Royal Marines so navigation was kinda important, and it was something which I was good at. (Modest cough…)
    Enter GPS devices.
    Everyone has a GPS don't they I was told. I said they might and they might be very glad of them but there will come a day when it doesn't work. A paper map and a magnetic compass do not suddenly stop working. Unless of course you drop the compass and let the map blow away. String and a firm grip are your best friends here! I only rarely got lost and always worked out what dumb mistake I had made so found myself again.
    Technology is a 'great thing' – but only when it works…
    😉😉

14. A very interesting topic.
    I think just like AIS, EDIS will become available for pleasure crafts in the near future.
    A while back I made a post in YouTubeSailingChannels that paper charts were the way of the dinosaurs, I got a lot of heat on that one.
    Don't get me wrong I like a paper chart for general route planning but I still believe that electronic charts are the future.

15. I updated my Raymarine plotter with new charts the other week. I now have northern Europe in there. When I plan for an oversea voyage I like to have a huge planning paperchart. I bring that paper hart with me and I plot my position every 3rd hour on the paper chart. I also have opencpn on my laptop wich I only use for planning and then I get the way points for the routes.

16. No I don’t think it’s necessary but would be good seamanship to do so

17. Greetings from Estapona. I have misplaced the box of charts down to the Med that we bought in 2008 ( being very optimistic ) used to be under our bed until we redecorated 5 years ago.🤯

18. The devil is in the details why paper charts are better. However some are still considered to be artists impressions depending on age of charts. Did a tour of ocean survey boat a few years ago and it was amazing their details

19. I have installed OpenCPN on a small PC connected to a TV/monitor on a swing-arm-mount on the chart table. This is where passage plans/routes are made. I also have AIS and radar as overlay here. I have a 9” MFD/chart plotter at the helm station with Navionic charts. On my Ipad I have Navionics charts and an app to mirror and operate the MFD from anywhere on the boat. I have a few rolled up passage charts clipped to the inside of the saloon roof, but they are not used anymore. Few years ago, off the German north sea coast we experienced GPS spoofing that set us off more than one nm from the correct position.
    And that happened on all our electronic chart systems. Scary as we were in shallow water… aproaching the Eider canal. I also had Navionics on my Android phone, and it showed us to be in the correct position. The positioning on the phone is done by GPS and by triangulating cellphone base stations. In our case this served as a “correction signal”.

20. I have a mix of Admiralty and Imray charts and like to have an appropriate one, along with the accompanying pilot book, for everywhere I go (mainly West Coast of Scotland, East Coast of Ireland and the Irish Sea. Although I have a chart plotter by the chart table and another by the helm, an iPad and iPhone, all with Navionics, like you I prefer passage planning on the paper charts. I also plot our position every hour on the chart (and enter it in the log). We do quite a lot of night sailing and apart from the safety angle, it’s a reassuring way of gauging progress – or lack of it. I once lost all electronics on passage (before I had phone/iPad backup) and was hugely grateful for the charts, compass, record in the log and dead reckoning…….Thanks for the way you present and discuss this sort of issue which is highly relevant in these troubled times.

21. My dogs always opining when I leave it outside too long

22. My navigation system is an 11 inch tablet with GPS and WiFi etc. The battery lasts for about 9 hours, but I have a power bank that will charge it twice. So if the main battery system failed, I've got that backup ready. 11 inches isn't that big (!) but if you have a smart TV you can cast your android signal to the TV. So you could easily have a 26 or 36 inch TV which could act as a display when passage planning. Must admit I hate the endless scrolling and pinching on screens to get into the detail, but it won't be long before the electronics does all of the passage planning for you, and you just follow it. Good thing? Or a bad thing?

23. This is so cool! We might not use it for now since were still rebuilding our 65' catamaran but definitely take notes for future reference.

24. Samsung tablets – cheap as chips – all (even the small cheap ones) come with gps – for example ive just got 2 for £100 off market place – perfect condition – plus i have a ipad – 2 mobile phones and a laptop –
    I like to think the world will sort itself out – and gps will always be available – -also news just in vodafone are launching a sat broadband service – like starlink – give it another few years these will be readily available and cheap – so you have backup broandband – finally services like navonics will allow you to download offline charts – so do that and if gps goes offline your still good to go !

25. I can recomend a Samsung T395. These are rugged and waterproof, and can be bought for about £100 on ebay or £195 from London Chart Plotters who sell them with Admiralty Charts loaded. I have two of these, both of which have Navionics loaded (a single licence can be used on two devices) and also have Admiralty and Anteres chartsloaded. Although they have a built in GPS, I feed GPS and AIS data to them over Wifi from two sources, and then still have the internal GPS as a backup. I keep them plugged in and charging, but the internal batteries work for several hours if necessary. I can tell you that they are really waterpoof as one of them is always out in the cockpit even in very heavy rain. These devices are our primary source of navigation at the moment as our ship is in Norway and paper charts are difficult and expensive there. Although I completely agree about getting a better overview from paper charts, I think we have to accept that their days are numbered and get on with it. A lot of rubbish is talked about losing all electric, but in out case I believe that the real risk is losing GPS signal because of jamming, in which case two things are needed; firstly to know that this has happened, secondly a good track showing where you have been (are now) on a plotter that can then be used in much the same way as a paper chart. I think there are still limitations in this regard with electronic charts but, on the other hand, the track logging is far more usueful than a traditional hourly log, provided you log all kinds of nmea data, not just position.

26. We have Navionics, Cmaps on our chartplotters and Aqua Maps (core of Engineers) iPads/phones. NOAA stopped producing charts but you can now download them electronically and print them yourself. You are going to see a change in gps soon. They are updating how the gps get their time using atomic clocks so gps will be 1 more accurate and two less likely to be spoofed. In the US it would be impossible to keep paper charts for all the different inlets we move over 1000 miles twice a year to get out of the hurricane zone so we rely more and more on electronics to stay up todate. But the electronics companies are relying more and more on the sonar readings your ship provides for regions to keep well traveled areas up to date

27. Aaaa totally confused didn’t expect you till Thursday. Now what do I watch with my coffee on Thursday. Great vid as usual. I have never used charts since Navionics brought out their electronic charts. ( many many years ago) I have charts and used some of them for decorations. Since Navionics I have used almost every new Navigation software brought on the market. My favourite is Orca which is free for computer, tablet, or phone. For course plotting on the day I still use Savy Navy which gives course to steer, takes into account weather, tides, and currents. Orca now does the same without the course to steer. Both Savy Navy and Orca are easy to use and read. I now find Navionics too cluttered and hard to read with all its colours. I have the Orca Tablet, IPad, and two Phones that runs all the safe software. If one goes the others are available. I have an eco potable power pack that I take with me everywhere. Sailing. It last about 4 days if solely used for charging all my kit. Main source of power is many USB ports for me and the crews electronics. As you mentioned with the current political climate there is always a risk of it being switched off which is why the Navy now use Quantum Navigation that can’t be tampered with. Will be a while before we can get it for leisure craft but believe it is on its way. Planes already have to divert around certain areas due to some nations messing about with gps signals. They are still making today maps we could use 🤠

28. We use paper charts as an overview for planning purposes. We rely on electronic for detail. Just purchased the charts and pilots we need to sail up to Orkney and then realised the space we need to store them 😬

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