Sailor a plecat blocat, grafic întrerupt și șters de Navionics!

19 thoughts on “Sailor a plecat blocat, grafic întrerupt și șters de Navionics!”

1. Garmin are bastards. It was all fine until they took over.

   I think once they bought off navionics, they sat down in a meeting and asked "How can we drive away the customers and ruin the almost monopoly? It's are trusted, convenient to use on phone and laptop, and gives customers the freedom to explore maps without committing to buy to them until they want and need them. They are loyal and love our sonar map features, too."

   I am still looking for an alternative, but I am mainly switched to orca.

2. Yes, sailing with paper charts sucks. Totaly. But it works. Always. Even with a major electric failure in your sailboat.
   + the pilotage books for the zone when you arrive in a tight zone.
   Actualy I learned to sail with charts, navigation rulers, tide tables, compass and field compass, radio-goniometry and it worked quite well. But I'm an old c..nt. 🙂

3. In a couple months I'll take possession of my very first sailboat purchase. It has no chart plotter. The sellers used and were comfortable with their variety of handhelds. But I'll be budgeting for one first thing.
   Just off my three month intensive 'learn to sail' and absolutely the wired helm plotter ( Axiom) was where i depended when it mattered. The handhelds were convenient as a second opinion or when away from the helm ONLY. For all the reasons you stated – i experienced

4. What about OpenCPN? Is free, you can have it on a raspberry pi with a screen, you can get all the word maps for free and you can control the boat with that. What do you think about this option?

5. Triteia is stuck in Indonesia with no charts. Fortunately he had an Ipad that just turned off the internet for or he would have been in a very dangerous situation.

6. OMG I need to check my ipad I got emails from garmin saying renew bla bla

7. I have B&G, I hate B&G. I hate Garmin even more. Raymarine? I'm replacing 20 year old Raymarine that seems easy and reliable. It's from 2003, takes a bit to boot up… But so does my two year old B&G. (That means it's chips and everything are as one guy said, 'obsolete.' Apparently they have a newer system (I have Zeus) will be obsolete on release. The manuals are a joke. This is the menu you use to access…. Half the page showing the menu. But not what to do if you get to that menu and the item isn't there. Customer service is 100% as in 100% of the time they have never responded. Why didn't I just go Raymarine? I thought because I'd spent 4 months at sea using B&G on other boats I knew it best. Now I realize that the exact same hardware on three boats doesn't work the same on all three and I have no idea why.

   This Garmin Navionics chart screwing James on Triteia is going through doesn't surprise me at all. I have a 2016 MacBook Pro, that when I bought my new on in 2022, I wiped clean and then reinstalled a 2017 TimeMachine back up so I can still run the Adobe software I paid for. I will not pay them a monthly $45 to use software I already paid for and which has not been significantly upgraded since. Like Jame's Navionics charts on his now Air Gaped tablet, my 2016 MacBook is air gaped.

   I'm surprised there isn't an entire cottage industry in old air gaped computers running old software. After 2011 my MacBook Pros became super reliable and long lasting. The 2016 had keyboard issues, but also a randomly jumping cursor problem (They mostly fixed these issues by replacing them with the 2017 keyboard/track pad. I can complain as much as anyone, but the shorter key travel distance of the 2016 eliminated almost all my transposing letters. Yuo konw, like this. I'm happy they've kept this. I'd been transposing letters starting with typewriters. Who knew it was connected to key stroke travel?)

   I guess we should all carry back up tablets with the charts on it. If Garmin did this, B&G/Simrad can't be far behind.

   And why do I hate Garmin? I paid about $1000 for two handheld GPS. The first one fell about a foot and cracked the screen. The second had a touch screen that didn't work well in a kayak. It also needed lithium batteries that lasted about 7 hours. If I paddled for 3 to 4 hours, this meant that I would have to change batteries on the water in my sea kayak. Okay.
   Step one: Remove the lanyard attachment point.
   Step two: pry the very difficult back cover off.
   Step three: watch it sink out of sight. It was a calm sunny day. The third Garmin GPS is for bicycles. I never once got it to actually do what it is supposed to do. Cyclists hate it for this reason. Garmin doesn't care. They have a huge market share, almost no competitors so they don't have to.

8. "Paper charts sooo baddd "- lmaol… try to delete it… lol

9. Deleating charts on a boat while activly sailing endagers both boat and crew, I wonder how that will play in a court.

10. Cheers!

11. What about OpenCPN?

12. 😃👍👏👏👏👏

13. 21st-century navigators have a chart erased and are lost in a forest full of trees. Navigate by general paper charts and learn to navigate by analytical dead reckoning applying spherical trigonometry. Don't complain and look for a solution, otherwise you'll continue carrying your heavy load. I've had expired Navionics charts for a year and a half, and they're still on my support, and I'm using something superior to Navionics SailGrib Pro, even cheaper, and it supports electronic charts from several suppliers, even expired Navionics. That's why you're bald. Put your brain to work and stop complaining so much. It seems like EVERYTHING has to be free. If I owned Navionics, I'd charge you triple its value for protesting against something that isn't yours. Respect private property, and if you don't like it, learn to sail seriously.

14. I'm studying paper charts. It's necessary for the grade. But I like it. Chart Plotters are awesome, but the thery behind must be very clear. Abracos amigo.

15. we need a free software solution for ocean maps, not the proprietary garbage that entirely relies on the manufacturer

16. warning raymarine A68 series navionics charts became obsolete overnight when garmin took over rendering that model chart plotter useless!!! ask me how I know… thank you Garmin &^%$#!!!!

17. This is part of a bigger problem of all "consumer" oriented proprietary systems that have lots of market power. Imagine using a Windows system to run navionics, do route planning, access weather data, cruising guides, ships logs, internet access, etc. and windows forces an update as you are sailing offshore on a passage or when you have a slow or unreliable connection leaving your laptop dead. This happened to "How to Sail Oceans". I know many sailors aren't tech guys. But being competent on open source platforms, hardware, operating system, and applications is a core skill if you're going to rely on digital navigation. For instance a ruggedized IP68 Linux tablet. No it won't be as slick as an ipad for camera and entertainment. But its a good idea to make something like that the host for critical apps, and use the ipad as a satellite device.

18. Good point!!

19. Lots of limitations with tablets. Best approach is to load up the offical up to date ECN charts to Open cpn, Expedition or time zero, then overlay with aerial photos.

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