ANATOMIA unei bărci cu vele înșelătorie – și cum să vă protejați!

ANATOMIA unei bărci cu vele înșelătorie - și cum să vă protejați!



@boatfools #buyingstrategies #usedsailboats #boatbuying #boatsforsale #sailboat #sailing #boatbroker #boatsellers ANATOMIA UNUI SAILBOAT SCAM analizează o experiență recentă pe care am avut-o cu un prieten de-al meu. E pe piață pentru o barcă cu pânze nou folosită. Vechiul său Ericson 35 a renunțat în cele din urmă la fantomă și este în piață pentru a găsi altul. Primul Ericson 35 pe care l-a găsit nu a primit un sondaj favorabil. Apoi ne-am uitat la un Ericson 32-3 pe care l-am găsit pe Craigslist. Părea că va fi barca perfectă – la naiba, chiar și descrierea spunea că este în stare excelentă și întreținută meticulos… Ce ar putea fi în neregulă cu ea? Dreapta? Corect… Urmăriți și aflați cum vânzătorii și brokerii vor face tot posibilul pentru a vă face nu numai să vă uitați la o barcă, ci și să cumpărați o barcă care NU este ceea ce pare. Lecția învățată: Mergeți ÎNTOTDEAUNA cu un om cu aripi pentru a privi o barcă care vă interesează ȘI primiți întotdeauna un sondaj dacă prețul de achiziție o justifică. SCAM ANATOMIA UNUI BARCĂ VELIER are scopul de a vă informa și de a vă ajuta pe măsură ce vă îndreptați spre ceea ce ar putea fi o investiție financiară uriașă. Nu vrei să cumperi o lămâie – sau să fii înșelat în ceva care nu este ceea ce pare a fi. Așa că, așa cum spun întotdeauna, am încredere, dar verifică. Doar pentru că o reclamă spune că o barcă este în „stare excelentă” – NU credeți până nu o vedeți – și vedeți-o pe toate. Aceasta este o poveste de avertizare! Bucurați-vă.

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27 thoughts on “ANATOMIA unei bărci cu vele înșelătorie – și cum să vă protejați!

  1. Went from Seattle to Annapolis to look at a 52 foot Cheoy Lee motorsailor that"only needs a valve adjust on the engines" to be ready to sail home. Took less than a minute to find that it was ready to sink. Rudder was rotten, skeg moved an inch when rudder was jiggled by hand meaning core rot, all thru hulls (28) frozen and bright green, deck delammed from hull, new packing glands held on by one clamp, raw water strainers to engines only held in place by the hoses, the list goes on and on. Turns out the beautiful pictures on the web page and the ones the broker sent me were over 15 years old. The boat is still for sale but now has a note adding that the skeg has been repaired. I told the marina that it was in such poor condition that if it was in a duck pond, I would be sitting in the dingy wearing my survival suit and if they put it in the water to leave the travel lift down. Beware of brokers, they LIE. Edit I looked her up on the net and it seems that some poor fool bought her for 180K.

  2. Good catch. Sobering video. If possible have someone else shoot video of the owner working through the systems. I tried to do this while the boat I eventually bought was being surveyed. I've got an hour of videos clips that are all, "…and then when it's on you do this to turn it off…." Useless. Might be the only time you get a walk through on How Tos.

  3. A very sobering watch and very instructive. Especially for new sailors who tend to buy with their heart as well as their head.
    Its many years since I worked in criminal law and that was in the UK. As best as I can recall, we had or now have criminal statutes addressing this kind of offence.
    Is there anything in federal or state criminal codes that the seller breached?
    Something like attempting to obtain pecuniary advantage by misrepresentation/fraud/deception? You have documentary evidence. Plus the yard would supply witness statements I'm sure. Not wanting to appear to be complicit. Likewise the broker.
    Just a thought. Because its not an insignificant sum, when compared to the asking price of the boat.

  4. A few years ago I was in the market for a 27-30 foot sailboat with inboard diesel.
    I had some interesting sellers
    1. A Tartan 10 the seller said the inboard engine was in great shape.
    When I arrived there was an outboard on the back and he pointed out the outboard was not included in the deal.
    When asked why is there an outboard he said he did not trust the inboard engine.
    I walked.
    2. A Catalina 27
    The seller was living in Germany, his boat was 3 hours away in Detroit.
    I explained my budget wat $5,000 to $7000 and he agreed he would sell in that range.
    His friend showed me the sailboat and there was water inside and some other problems.
    But it was rainwater because the tarp had blown away so I offered him $6,000
    I took pics of the boat, tarp etc.
    He was upset and blamed me for removing his tarps but luckily his friend who showed me the boat saw the tarps where gone before I arrived.
    He said he wanted $8,000 and thought once I saw the boat I would pay outside my range.
    I explained he waisted 8 hours of my life with his games and even if he lowered his price I would not buy it from him.
    He did sell it for $4,000 a few months later.

    After a summer looking I did find an honest seller that priced his Watkins 27 for $4,000.
    It also had problems but the price of $4,000 was reasonable so I bought it at his asking price.
    After fixing her up at a cost of $5,000 I am very happy with my decision.

  5. Personally, I would never buy a 40 years old + boat , either wood, fiberglass ( wich rot with the time) , steel, aluminum etc.after 40 years in salt water the core is not anymore sane, the chain plates are rusted and weak, the electrical system has to be replaced , diesel engine life is around 5000 hours and most owners disconnect the hour meter for an extended period of time for a future sale…the tanks, plastic or aluminum are at their life end etc…
    When you think at the work and money you’ll have to put in to make it safe and seaworthy, you better to invest more money and buy a boat no older than 15-20 years old that has been refit with new rigging, sails, dodger, bimini etc…and it’s a plus if the seller has a maintenance log book well up to date .

  6. 13 minutes about a less than honest listing, in which a seller omitted damage information? How is this supposed to be 'information', unless you were born under a rock (yesterday)? Have you not heard the expression 'caveat emptor'? This is the first I've seen of your channel and I certainly won't be checking back if this is the type obvious time-wasting drivel you post.

  7. Red Flag 🚩 when you here the word " Broker " . The boat was probably selling for half and the owner would have disclosed the damage 🤨

  8. Excellent warning. The problem is especially valid for those seeking to buy boats at the lower end of the market.. circa $20k to $50k.. A full survey, including lift-out and launch, will represent a substantial expense in relation to the value of the vessel, and these boats are typically where a survey is most required. Anyone struggling to get into owning a boat at this level may very soon discover that they've reduced their purchase power significantly simply owing to the expense of having paid for two or more surveys. If a buyer has only limited experience in owning boats it can make a huge difference if they can find an experienced friend/colleague to accompany them on that first inspection.. The mindset should not be, 'is it worth buying?' it needs to be, 'is it worth the risk of a survey?' Buyer beware.

  9. It seems to be gone from Craigslist Maine now, but is still listed on Facebook Marketplace. Same price, pictures and description.

  10. This boat list price was about $29,000 and it was about 32 feet in length. What would be an average cost of a boat survey for this sail boat or a similar 40 year old Sailboat?

  11. I have posted on SailNet about my experience in buying a (then) 24 year old O'day 35 in 2010. Briefly; I noticed that the paint was cracked and sealant showing between the keel stub and the keel of the boat during the survey. Everyone present (broker, surveyor, yard manager) dismissed this as no big deal. I then noticed that the keel looked to be slightly canted as the boat hung in the slings of the travel lift. Again, this observation was dismissed, but I asked the surveyor to specifically check on this. He returned a few minutes later after I was him scamper away from the boat, to tell me that the keel was LOOSE and it would move about an inch if you put a lateral load on the keel. This ended the survey, and the offer. The owner of the boat dropped the keel to find that five of the seven keel bolts looked like apple cores – after you had eaten the apple. The owner then had the yard replace the old bolts (304 stainless) with larger diameter ones (316 stainless), and the keel was re-bedded and attached to the stub. In addition, the yard put a layer of FRP over the external keel joint. I believe that the cost to repair (in 2010) was ~$9800. I ended up buying the boat. I have owned the boat for 13 years, and sailed her from RI to FL and back. Every couple of years I back one nut at a time off the keel bolts, and polish the threads, treat them with Tef-Gel, and retorque the nuts. The keel has not been an issue since.

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